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Poptart
11-25-2005, 17:12
nude for photgraphs? What would the circumstances have to be? Are you comfortable with nudity? Why or why not? Have you ever shot nudes? What was your experience? What do you think is your "comfort zone"?
Just a general curiosity because I think we photogs are more voyeurs than exhibitionists, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Frank Granovski
11-25-2005, 17:18
I have posed for my girlfriend when I was young(er), and she posed for me. But then she was in the "Best of Cheri," and I was just nuts. :)

Byuphoto
11-25-2005, 17:18
no nudes but I did do some Bike and babe calendar shoots and some Hooters girl studio shots.

back alley
11-25-2005, 17:20
i've never posed exactly but there is that video floating around out there...;)

joe

captainslack
11-25-2005, 17:31
Sure. Why not. I'd probably break the camera lens, but that would be someone else's problem.

bmattock
11-25-2005, 17:34
Would you ever post nude for photgraphs?

Sure. I doubt anyone would want me to. I know I wouldn't.

What would the circumstances have to be?

Couple of beers.

Are you comfortable with nudity?

Depends on whose.

Why or why not?

Because some people look better with clothes on. Like me.

Have you ever shot nudes?

Sure.

What was your experience?

Which time? Mostly, it was for friends. When I was younger, it was for my own, ah, gratification.

What do you think is your "comfort zone"?

Everything makes me uncomfortable, so no real difference.

Just a general curiosity because I think we photogs are more voyeurs than exhibitionists, but perhaps I'm wrong.

No, I'm quite a flasher. Most people wish I would stop. I really should.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

John Robertson
11-25-2005, 17:56
Not without a health warning for others. I once said to a friend that I had the body of a 20yr old, she replied, "well iron it and hand it back, as youv'e made a hell of a mess of it!!" :eek:
My avtar shows the dogs reaction!!!

dostacos
11-25-2005, 18:04
nude for photgraphs? What would the circumstances have to be? Are you comfortable with nudity? Why or why not? Have you ever shot nudes? What was your experience? What do you think is your "comfort zone"?
Just a general curiosity because I think we photogs are more voyeurs than exhibitionists, but perhaps I'm wrong.

welllllllllllllllllllll since I am seriously,morbidly undertall anything under 3 mil and the cloths DON'T come off

egpj
11-25-2005, 18:16
I can't do the nude thing. I can not pose because I just do not like being in front of the camera. I can not take pictures of women in the nude because I always end up knowing them.... in the biblical sense. A nude woman in front of me, that is just what is supposed to happen. It is hard wired into my brain. I should be more professional. Dang, now I am mad at myself. I don't like this thread. I have only taken one shot of a woman naked. Here it is attached. No frontal nudity though.

egpj
11-25-2005, 18:22
Hey, this reminds me of something else. A friend of mine takes pictures for a website called Suicidegirls.com It is a bunch of girls that have post messages online or something like that. Anyway their hook is that they are mostly goth and kind of freaky. Anyway, he does not have any problem taking nude shots and does it all the time. His website is www.fieldsandfieldsofwheat.com I might ask him this question tomorrow when I head into Orlando. I do remember when I asked him about model releases he told me, "Only to make sure I get the model release when shooting nudes!"

cp_ste.croix
11-25-2005, 18:25
sure i'd do it, but in about another 10 lbs or so...it's my secret ambition to be a mens underwear model :D

FrankS
11-25-2005, 18:27
Thank you, Bill!

StuartR
11-25-2005, 18:44
My body is too beautiful to be revealed willy-nilly. It's kind of like an Indiana Jones Raiders of the Lost Ark thing...

I am not opposed to shooting nudes though. I just haven't.

dmr
11-25-2005, 18:46
nude for photgraphs?

Oh wow, I can see this being a long and well-read thread. :)

But to answer the question, no I would not.

What would the circumstances have to be?

None, that's not my style. I'm shy enough being in front of the camera fully clothed! :)

Are you comfortable with nudity? Why or why not?

Actually, I am, quite, under the right circumstances. I just don't think it's something I want to share commercially or even have floating around out of my control. :( I do know some people who did at times have nude (or worse) photos or videos taken and had them turn up under the most embarrassing circumstances. :(

Have you ever shot nudes?

Not really. Well, to make a long story long ... What I did once was do some "audition" shots for some girlfriends of mine who answered one of those "Models wanted, 18-22" or something like that. This was back in college and they asked me to just do a couple of what I might call "cheesecake" shots of them because they didn't feel like auditioning in person. This was back in college (undergrad) and they were both hired for some lingerie and bikini type shoots. They really were not paid that much, but (yeah, I knew it was coming) they were told that they would make a lot more for showing more skin and such, which they both declined.

What was your experience?

Well, as the brief career as the "glamour photographer" :) I just posed them in a springtime garden which actually adjoined an alley, but the results were nice. These were B&W. What kinda shocked me was that the one photographer they posed for asked them to ask me if I would be interested in making $$$ taking photos like that. I declined. Both of them quit shortly after.

What do you think is your "comfort zone"?

Well, I really think of myself as being very openminded and comfortable in most situations. I could see myself shooting artistic nudes maybe, but I want to keep my distance as far as I can from the "Adult Industry", not that I'm a prude, far from it, I just don't want to be any part of that scene.

I could actually see myself doing fashion/runway photography, perhaps in another life yet to come, but I really don't have any desire to -- let's see how I can put this -- take photos intended more to arouse than to entertain or inform. :)

Just a general curiosity because I think we photogs are more voyeurs than exhibitionists, but perhaps I'm wrong.

I would agree, but I would add that I think it's more than just the sociosexual roles of voyeur and exhibitionist.

I'm far more comfortable behind the lens than in front of it, under any circumstances. I have a feeling many photographers are too.

I've always been interested in photography, but never really in modeling. When I was younger I was always told that I should be a hand model, but I never pursued it. :)

But I was gonna say that it's almost exclusively guys doing the shooting for glamour/nude work, but then I remember a book I read years ago, and it was actually somewhat dated then, by Bunny Yeager (sp?) who was most definitely an exhibitionist as well as a photographer. :)

Oh well, it's gonna be interesting to see how this thread develops. :)

FrankS
11-25-2005, 18:55
I'm far more comfortable behind the lens than in front of it, under any circumstances. I have a feeling many photographers are too.

My signature at APUG (which I don't frequent that much after finding RFF) is: "Preferring to be on the shiny" (base, not emulsion) "side of the film."

bmattock
11-25-2005, 19:06
Thank you, Bill!

You're welcome! What for?

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

FrankS
11-25-2005, 19:10
You're welcome! What for?

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks



For post #6. I laughed out loud and had to explain to my wife why.

jano
11-25-2005, 19:14
I'm with Chris on this one.. but I need to gain about 30 more pounds. Some day, I, too, shall be an underwear model!

John Robertson
11-25-2005, 19:16
My body is too beautiful to be revealed willy-nilly. It's kind of like an Indiana Jones Raiders of the Lost Ark thing...

I am not opposed to shooting nudes though. I just haven't.

Just don't expose your "willy-nilly" Stuart :rolleyes:

bmattock
11-25-2005, 19:17
For post #6. I laughed out loud and had to explain to my wife why.

Happy to do my part. My wife once asked me if I'd ever consider posing nude, and I said sure, why not, I don't really like people anyway - serves 'em right.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

FrankS
11-25-2005, 19:18
jano, I'll happily give you 30 lbs. :)

ch1
11-25-2005, 19:48
nude for photgraphs? What would the circumstances have to be? Are you comfortable with nudity? Why or why not? Have you ever shot nudes? What was your experience? What do you think is your "comfort zone"?
Just a general curiosity because I think we photogs are more voyeurs than exhibitionists, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Well, I don't like going to the community pool because "it all hangs out". But what "hangs" is not what you think (unfortunately). It's the stuff "above the bottom line"!

Pose nude?

Why not - but then again - why would anyone want to see the result?

Seems like they'd have to be weird or something.... :eek:

jano
11-25-2005, 20:11
jano, I'll happily give you 30 lbs. :)

Will you take Western Union transfer? :D

Frank Granovski
11-25-2005, 20:28
jano, I'll happily give you 60 lbs. :)

cp_ste.croix
11-25-2005, 20:41
Jano, from my experience, unaided, you should be able to put on 30(good)lbs in 3 or so years...not so tough!

DougK
11-25-2005, 20:48
Well, if we're talking artistic, B&W nude, sure, why not? I'm not very comfortable in front of the camera but hey, you only live once. I would need a photographer I trust and to lose some weight (like turning the wayback machine to when I was in the Army and very physically fit), but I would see no harm in it. Anything other than purely artistic studies, though, and I would refuse. Likewise, I would not hesitate to shoot artistic nudes myself given a suitable, willing model. I think I'd have to go with digital though, as my local lab might get the heebie-jeebies and it just wouldn't be fun explaining.

Erl
11-25-2005, 21:01
Yep! I posed a couple of weeks ago for a fellow photographer. She was trying to shoot me whilst swimming starkers in the river by our campsite. I knew her to be slow to focus, so I 'posed' for her, checking the light direction to suit good modelling etc. The pic was a very good effort by 'us'. I admit to feeling a bit peeved that it was not on my camera. :bang: I am still waiting for my hardcopy. (the original is digital)

I have shot nudes occassionally and was surprised that I behaved very professionally. Not what I expected of myself! :p Oh well, maybe we don't know ourselves as well as we think! :angel:

Attached is a sample of my past efforts.

jano
11-25-2005, 21:10
Jano, from my experience, unaided, you should be able to put on 30(good)lbs in 3 or so years...not so tough!

Took me 8 months to put on about 20(good)lbs last year.. another year for 5 more.. then I sprained my ankle, became busy at work, got pneumonia.. and as of two weeks ago, I lost just about all of it and have to start at square one again. So close.. D'OH! Here's to round two :)

DougK
11-25-2005, 21:14
Took me 8 months to put on about 20(good)lbs last year.. another year for 5 more.. then I sprained my ankle, became busy at work, got pneumonia.. and as of two weeks ago, I lost just about all of it and have to start at square one again. So close.. D'OH! Here's to round two :)
If I could find a way to FedEx you some of my excess weight, I would be more than happy to help you out :D.

nwcanonman
11-25-2005, 23:01
I'm with Chris on this one.. but I need to gain about 30 more pounds. Some day, I, too, shall be an underwear model!
............
Jano,
You can gladly have 30 of mine. :D

nomade
11-26-2005, 02:41
No no nononono, i haven't shot nudes and maybe i'll...But i'm not comfortable as a model + i'm shy :D

Nikon Bob
11-26-2005, 05:03
Never been asked to take nude photos of someone and I suspect the better half would have some objections. As for posing nude the answer is no. If it was on a beach I have visions of Green Peace trying to push me back into the water. Not a pretty picture.

Bob

CleverName
11-26-2005, 05:45
I wouldn't mind posing nude, but it would have to be one of those Spencer Tunick kind of things where it didn't really matter if the subject was good looking.
As for taking nude shots, I'd like to try some artistic nudes. I think I get too nervous around women in general and if I was around a nude woman I'd probably be a bumbling idiot. I'm also not very good at directing people. I did my first photo shoot with a girl last week and the best I could come up with was, "Yea, do that again", or "look over there".
Once I get more practice and skills shooting people with their clothes on, I might try asking them to take them off.
Here's one from my shoot last week. All the best shots were when I was just using up a half roll of Ilford 3200 I had left in one of my cameras

fgianni
11-26-2005, 06:42
Of course I could pose nude, I have the body of a God!

...

(Shame it is Buddha)

djon
11-26-2005, 07:36
I'm already semi-nude in my Gallery...fwiw the belly button/hernia's fixed and I've lost a couple of pounds (Vs this summer).

Pherdinand
11-26-2005, 07:47
accept it or not, what i noticed is, that one person's fine art photograph is another person's arousal tool, and another person's pornography. Hell, some people get aroused even looking at bare feet.

I actually have quite an attractive body. That's what all my girlfriends told me, anyway. So i don't understand why am i single roight now, LOL.

If any of you want to shoot me naked, i mean with a camera, myu price is a bottle of good wine. Or even better, a bottle of single malt. No i don't want to drink it before the shooting session. And i want all the rights to the shots.
You can get the same from me as photographer and you as model.
Women preferred, though.

This is a funny thread, and reading the very serious answers, even more. don't misunderstand me, i'm not making fun of you, i enjoy reading through.

Honestly, i don't understand what's all the fuss about nudity; i think one of the nicest objects pf photography [painting sculpturing etc] is the human form. Much less problems would be out there in the world if we as society would not be that paranoid about nudity.
But i might be 25-30 years late with my way of thinking.

George S.
11-26-2005, 08:56
Took me 8 months to put on about 20(good)lbs last year.. another year for 5 more.. then I sprained my ankle, became busy at work, got pneumonia.. and as of two weeks ago, I lost just about all of it and have to start at square one again. So close.. D'OH! Here's to round two :)

I was in the same boat about 30 years ago. Try milkshakes, (add bananas), protein drinks and beer. (Not in that order, not in equal amounts, and not at the same time) Also stop running and watch football and golf on TV on the weekends. You'll be back in shape in no time.

rover
11-26-2005, 10:13
Ok, if you must know,

Have you ever watched those National Geographic specials on whales beaching themselves? At the end they always say, "No actual whales were harmed in the making of this show."

Well there, now you know my second job, I am a body double. (not the really white whales by the way, my skin tone is much darker, olive you know :D)

johne
11-26-2005, 10:17
A turnoff from those who would ask you to shoot gratis pictures of them used to be "I only do lewd nudes." Now that might not have the same result. [in fact, you might be overwhelmed.] Perhaps I misread it, but the goal of many today is test whether an infant has more fun in infancy than an adult does in adultry. Just a comment.
Johne

Pherdinand
11-26-2005, 10:19
hmm
a very large procentage answering this thread expressed his concern about being overweighted
is that really true/// and, even if it is, why is that a problem[from the original question's point of view]///

[/=question mark; sorry shift does not work]

Pherdinand
11-26-2005, 10:20
johne, that should be 'infant in infantry'. you are cheating.

rover
11-26-2005, 10:23
hmm
a very large procentage answering this thread expressed his concern about being overweighted
is that really true/// and, even if it is, why is that a problem[from the original question's point of view]///

[/=question mark; sorry shift does not work]

Perhaps there will be run on wide angle lenses on ebay? :angel:

Pherdinand
11-26-2005, 10:28
lol nude photography with bessa L and 12mm superwide

by the way, the best nude photography i have seen [best = i liked it most] was not of thin young ladies... more in the category of jan saudek. Jim Adams on photo.net has a large gallery of simple shots of simple people of mixed ages, races and shapes, really good stuff.

CleverName
11-26-2005, 10:32
hmm
a very large percentage answering this thread expressed his concern about being overweighted. is that really true and, even if it is, why is that a problem


As far as Americans go, many of us are overweight :(
Our society and popular culture tells us that in order to be attractive you need to be young, skinny, physically fit, and have good skin and teeth. On the surface, our society does not appear to value character or intellegence as much as it does good looks. Sad, really, most of the best people I know would never make it to the cover of GQ or Cosmo.

PS- This is not America bashing. I live here and love the place. It is pop-culture/advertising bashing.

JOE1951
11-26-2005, 12:17
Good Question!

Yes! in my early 20's for a close friend, but the only pic I have that I actually like is a photo taken in Boca Raton, Florida during a Duane Michals photo workshop in 1988.

A woman who was one of the students, asked me to take my shirt off and pose next to a tree with a bunch of thorns sticking out of it. I obliged, then everyone else in the course started taking pictures of me!!!! This attachment was taken by a friend at the time and has actually won awards! I'm actually quite proud of it!

As for taking photos of nudes. I have never really enjoyed it, and never got the results I've wanted.

In the past 3 years though, I've taken the odd life drawing course at the the Nova Scotia College of Art & Design and have found that I enjoy drawing nudes far more than photographing them. One nude I drew was of an extremely obese woman but she was surprising the most comfortable with her body and the most fun to draw

Anyway attached is the photo of me with credit to David Middleton

jano
11-26-2005, 13:46
I was in the same boat about 30 years ago. Try milkshakes, (add bananas), protein drinks and beer. (Not in that order, not in equal amounts, and not at the same time) Also stop running and watch football and golf on TV on the weekends. You'll be back in shape in no time.

Round is certainly a shape not to be discounted :)

Clevername.. the overweight self-conscious problem is not limited to the US, you can find it outside as well, just not to the same degree.

JOE1951
11-26-2005, 14:22
A woman who was one of the students, asked me to take my sh*t off and pose


Ummm YIKES!!! that should read "SHIRT" sorry!...Can I correct that post? Is there a spell check anywhere?

If the admin wants to delete or correct this post, I'm OK with that!

CleverName
11-26-2005, 14:29
Ummm YIKES!!! that should read "SHIRT" sorry!...Can I correct that post? Is there a spell check anywhere?


I thought that's what you meant, but it works either way :)

You should be able to go in and edit your own posts, there should be an "edit" button right near the "quote" button.

Spell check would be nice, I always have to edit my posts.

ps-I just had to go back and edit this post :bang:

dmr
11-26-2005, 14:55
a very large procentage answering this thread expressed his concern about being overweighted
is that really true and, even if it is, why is that a problem[from the original question's point of view

Not to overgeneralize, but here in the States, we tend to eat too much and exercise too little! As we hit middle age, it all seems to catch up with us. :( As I now profess to be immune to GAS, I once thought I was immune to MAS (Middle Age Spread) until my last physical, when the doc was looking over my chart and the vitals. His exact words were "well, you're not overweight yet {pointing finger right at me} so don't push it!" :(

Here in the States and elsewhere I'm very sure, we're conditioned to try to at least appear to be thin and fit. Weight loss is a humongous industry here in the States. (Don't even mention cosmetic surgery and the like.) We have this image of a perfectly fit 20 year old, for both men and women, and yes, there is social pressure to try to look that way.

But back to the subject ... Now whether it's for artistic nudes, for artistic erotica, or for hard core pornography, that's the type of model that's in demand. People want to look at well-proportioned attractive people.

Don't even get me started on fashion and runway models! Those are not real people! :( Jeesh!

But anyway, from a personal standpoint, I would not pose nude or even seminude myself whether or not I look like I did at 18.

And, although I am an avid people-watcher, I just don't have any desire to do nude photography, or even stuff like fashion shots or portraiture. Street scenes with people in them, yes, but ...

Each to his/her own, I guess.

Interesting thread, there have been some very good threads here lately! :)

JOE1951
11-26-2005, 15:14
I thought that's what you meant, but it works either way :)



Thanks for the help!!!!

Poptart
11-26-2005, 16:21
"Do you know the difference between art and pornography? Pornography is in focus." Linda Hunt in The Year of Living Dangerously

Doug
11-27-2005, 00:02
I think posing people is a talent in itself, whether they're nude or not, and I've never sought out that kind of photography. But there was one occasion years ago when I was a member of a large urban photo club they hired a nude model and those interested had an opportunity to give it a try. I was awkward at first, and didn't know what to tell the model to do, so I just let her go through her own poses, and I'm pleased to say I went into "art mode" and forgot about other kinds of thoughts for the duration. I hurried to do the processing but as I recall there wasn't really much there that I liked. Interesting experience though...

Pherdinand
11-27-2005, 04:55
Poptart, that's a good quote, it's in the right direction, but i think it's a bit oversimplified.

OK, i have a side-question. Are you living in a social surrounding where it would be unimaginable that you pose nude or semi-nude? I mean, would it have serious consequences on your professional or private life if you did it and 'they find it out'?
I do [ok...i DID - right now i'm blowin in the wind] and i have the feeling that most people here do.

StuartR
11-27-2005, 05:17
Good question pherdinand, but I don't think many people are in danger of serious consequences if the photos are obviously artistic. Maybe some people who are part of a very religious community...

In any case, I doubt there would be any consequences at all for me if I decided to do it and it was done right. That said, I don't think I will be doing it any time soon...

Benjamin Marks
11-27-2005, 05:48
The world (particularly the digital world) is saturated with nudity. In light of this, the challenge seems to me to be to take a picture that isworth viewing by strangers more than once. As to my own nudity, who cares . . . I have definitely reached the peeping-toms-will-be-sorely-disappointed stage of life.

djon
11-27-2005, 06:04
Browse for Nahui Olin . One of Edward Weston's heads, I've always admired it. She was up front about her erotic career, theatric. He obviously knew what she was about, but I dont believe he shot her nude. Everybody else did. In Daybook I, Weston seems to breathe heavily about her, but she was occupied with "Dr. Atl", a painter. Weston was enviably-well-taken-care-of already. If you browse hard enough (!) you'll find her nudes by unknown photographers, taken in interests other than aesthetic. The others probably didn't share Weston's interest in vegetables.

johne
11-27-2005, 06:10
Pferdinand,

Ooooh! That retort was so good I will have to stea... uh, borrow it.
Johne

djon
11-27-2005, 06:14
http://www.rawworkflow.com/making_pictures/may_05/index.html

Nahui Olin etc.

Pherdinand
11-27-2005, 06:19
by the way that's a very good article, djon, independent of the subject of our discussion.

unohuu
11-27-2005, 06:24
i would in the right circumstances

artistic rather than exploitive

appropriate lighting

no semi or actual porn poses

i like the human form as an objet d'art

djon
11-27-2005, 06:42
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dserrault/collection/pages/weston_nahui_olin_jpg.htm

The thread has to do with nudes. Eros is the central concept. Weston is the master.

It appears that every one of the posts on this thread has overtly to do with "prurient interest" as well as personal awkwardness, especially the posts that try to sound reflective and cool.

None of this has to do with rangefinders, of course, since they're not the ideal tool for the purpose.

Rick Waldroup
11-27-2005, 06:49
When I was 18 years old and just starting out in photography (this is the late 60's). I would just about shoot anything for money. I was hired to shoot what I thought was going to be some nudes to be used for some cheap girlie magazine. When I showed up at the shoot, to my surprise, the photo shoot was to be for hard core porn. I shot it like I was hired to do and delivered the film to the customer but that was my last venture into that type of photography. When you are that young, all kinds of things go through your head. The whole time I was shooting I kept waiting for the cops to bust the door down! Also you have to remember that this was the 60's and although porn was big business then, it is nothing compared to today. Funny, I haven't thought about that photo shoot in many years.

dmr
11-27-2005, 07:48
"Do you know the difference between art and pornography? Pornography is in focus." Linda Hunt in The Year of Living Dangerously

It seems like pornography is one of the most sought after products there is. It is literally the product that people will beat a path to your doorstep and beg to buy.

artistic rather than exploitive

Exploitive, that's the word I was looking for to say where I draw the line between what's ok and what's not ok. Hey, I'm no prude and I've been around the block a few times. :) However, I do have a problem with that which is demeaning or degrading.

You've got to admit that a lot of what we call porn is demeaning, either directly to those posing/acting/whatever or to society (to women, mostly) in general.

You see those disclaimers such as "no cats were harmed shooting this commercial" and such. You really can't say that about porn. :(

But again (devil's advocate mode) I can think of serious art or even reportage that's demeaning or degrading ...

Poptart
11-27-2005, 10:30
So what about Mapplethorpe? Is a bullwhip up the roosel demeaning or exploitative?

dmr
11-27-2005, 10:47
So what about Mapplethorpe? Is a bullwhip up the roosel demeaning or exploitative?

Well, stuff like that is just plain crude, but to quote myself ...

But again (devil's advocate mode) I can think of serious art or even reportage that's demeaning or degrading ...

Rick Waldroup
11-27-2005, 11:05
Mapplethorpe is really an enigma. To tell you the truth, his early stuff is okay but his later, more controversial stuff, is much more bold and original. Is it art? I don't know. Do I like it? Most of it , yes. I think he was really trying to reach deep within and photograph what he felt. For that I applaud him, but a lot of people think his later stuff is nothing but porn. To each his own I suppose.

djon
11-27-2005, 12:11
I found Mapplethorpe mundane, pedestrian, decorative. A kept boy himself, almost all details of his work were done by others.

zpuskas
11-27-2005, 12:14
To answer the question, yes, i would pose nude if I knew the photographer and knew they would photograph me only in the very best light!
My local photo group regularly has nude models (paid) shoots. I must say this is the most difficult subject matter...keeping that fine line between "art" and "the other stuff". My success rate during these shoots is dismally low because we sometimes get inexperienced models and they are not well versed in posing.
It's true "work" making a good image.

vincentbenoit
11-27-2005, 12:59
"Preferring to be on the shiny" (base, not emulsion) "side of the film.""The shiny side of the film"... That's good!
Cheers
Vincent

bmattock
11-27-2005, 13:13
So what about Mapplethorpe? Is a bullwhip up the roosel demeaning or exploitative?

Uncomfortable. For the rooselee, I mean.

bmattock
11-27-2005, 13:15
It seems like pornography is one of the most sought after products there is. It is literally the product that people will beat a path to your doorstep and beg to buy.


I like porn.


Exploitive, that's the word I was looking for to say where I draw the line between what's ok and what's not ok. Hey, I'm no prude and I've been around the block a few times. :) However, I do have a problem with that which is demeaning or degrading.


You want to know what's demeaning and degrading? Me at my day job, that's what.


You've got to admit that a lot of what we call porn is demeaning, either directly to those posing/acting/whatever or to society (to women, mostly) in general.


I don't have to admit it.


You see those disclaimers such as "no cats were harmed shooting this commercial" and such. You really can't say that about porn. :(


That must that kitty porn I keep hearing about.


But again (devil's advocate mode) I can think of serious art or even reportage that's demeaning or degrading ...

If it doesn't push buttons, it is just a pretty picture. Or so they say.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

celluloidprop
11-27-2005, 14:08
I wouldn't pose nude unless I lost a few pounds and went to Steve Carell's waxer from The 40-Year Old Virgin. Man O' Lantern calendar 2006, baby.

I've never shot nudes and never had a real interest in them (well, I have an interest in nudes, just not so much as my art). They're just not my thing, and it takes an incredible nude image to pique my aesthetic interest. Burned out on too many art-school-istas getting naked, I think.

Toby
11-27-2005, 14:50
People aren't exactly queuing round the block to ask me. And anyway in the current cold snap I fear I may be misrepresented :D

scotty smith
11-27-2005, 16:50
Shot a dear friend at her request a couple of years ago with candlelight only and T-Max 3200 pushed to 12000. It was the most difficult thing technically I've ever shot, and basically cured me of any desire to ever do it again. The problems I had getting the poses adequate to the lighting and making estimates on exposure values trumped any awkwardness we might have felt, and I considered it to be hard work. Anyway, got 6 or 8 good prints out of 4 rolls, so she was quite happy in the end. I did develop a great appreciation for those who do it well.

bmattock
11-27-2005, 17:02
You guys don't like porn, don't shoot nudes, probably don't fart. What *do* you do?

I laugh, and now I'm gonna grab another beer. I may scratch, ever buddy cover your eyes!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank-zappa/57174.html

CleverName
11-27-2005, 18:10
You guys don't like porn, don't shoot nudes, probably don't fart. What *do* you do?


I didn't say I didn't like porn...I just consider it more of a spectator sport. :p
And yes I do fart, but not professionally. :D

...think I'll join you in that beer...

bmattock
11-27-2005, 18:15
And yes I do fart, but not professionally. :D


There are those who do, such as Le Petomaine. They called him a fartiste.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Petomane

He was no rank amateur, I can tell you that.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Poptart
11-28-2005, 01:09
I always thought Weston's nudes looked like they'd collapsed in a heap from heat stroke and he just decided to photograph them before calling an ambulance.

StuartR
11-28-2005, 01:35
I always thought Weston's nudes looked like they'd collapsed in a heap from heat stroke and he just decided to photograph them before calling an ambulance.


Yes, but in the very best way!