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Full frame (24x36) digital ... sensor from the D700 would be fine.
Good usable ISO up to 6400 ... as per D700. ^^^
Electronic viewfinder ... like my OM-D. (you can focus it in the dark ~ incredible!)
In camera image stabilization ... like the OM-D.
Somewhere between the size of the D700 and the OM-D. (controls are a little squeezy on the OM-D and the Nikon is a tank)
Built tough ... like the Nikon. (already broke the viewfinder eyecup of the OM-D just getting it out of the camera bag for ****'s sake!)
Is this so much to ask?
Hm ... I want a digital XPAN, panoramic-sized CMOS sensor, pure optical VF/RF and three interchangeable lenses (similar fov as the XPAN). :eek:
kshapero
08-02-2012, 18:14
Full frame (24x36) digital ... sensor from the D700 would be fine.
Good usable ISO up to 6400 ... as per D700.
Electronic viewfinder ... like my OM-D. (you can focus it in the dark ~ incredible!)
In camera image stabilization ... like the OM-D.
Somewhere between the size of the D700 and the OM-D. (controls are a little squeezy on the OM-D and the Nikon is a tank)
Built tough ... like the Nikon. (already broke the viewfinder eyecup of the OM-D just getting it out of the camera bag for ****'s sake!)
Is this so much to ask?Could be the new D600. EVF is overrated IMHO, I like to just visualize the look thru an optical VF. But that is just me.
back alley
08-02-2012, 19:05
Hm ... I want a digital XPAN, panoramic-sized CMOS sensor, pure optical VF/RF and three interchangeable lenses (similar fov as the XPAN). :eek:
i think i could love this camera!
Hm ... I want a digital XPAN, panoramic-sized CMOS sensor, pure optical VF/RF and three interchangeable lenses (similar fov as the XPAN). :eek:
+1
I would love one...But I don't think it will happen.. But we an dream:rolleyes:
Gary
Sylvester
08-02-2012, 19:28
I want a digital CLE.
Lotta love for a digital X-Pan here ... who would have thought? :D
mervynyan
08-02-2012, 19:35
if you have nasa's budget, you can get a rover plus cameras you design-:)
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Contarama
08-02-2012, 20:00
I want a F2 and a MP both with high ISO 30X45 S2 type sensors. If you are going to dream dream big. :)
Slightly off topic:eek:
How about the digital holy grail for legacy camera body...?
The digital film cartridge that some startup in the late 80 or early 90 tried to do? The electronics was in the main cartridge and the sensor was on a thin strip across the shutter. The company went under before it came out with a prototype if I remember correctly. Later I heard a rumor it was all marketing...
Of course if u going to dream, it would be a full frame 35mm 40mpx:D
Gary
They already have. It's called an M9, now if I can figure a way to afford one.
Mattco26
08-02-2012, 21:27
I want someone to build this for ME:
12MP 24X36 35mm film size sensor
Nice bright large pentaprism viewfinder
Changeable focus screens
30 sec to 1/4000th shutter
Quality ISO from 100 to 3200
Simple firmware, no video just Program, Av, Tv and Manual modes.
Different "modules" that slide onto the front of the camera holding just the mechanical linkage to allow full function with these mounts:
Canon FD
Minolta MD
Olympus OM
Konica AR
Pentax K Mount/M42 combo
All with decent weather sealing and in a package the same overall size of my Pentax K10.
Selling prices:
$1000 US for the body
$150 US for each module
Kodak should do this and make it a top priority, it could turn them around in a hurry.
The real R&D needed for this should pale in comparison to developing a brand new Canon or Nikon. The technology needed is 3-4 years past it's prime and could be built from off-the-shelf components.
Or am I crazy?
zerobuttons
08-02-2012, 22:55
Slightly off topic:eek:
How about the digital holy grail for legacy camera body...?
The digital film cartridge that some startup in the late 80 or early 90 tried to do? The electronics was in the main cartridge and the sensor was on a thin strip across the shutter. The company went under before it came out with a prototype if I remember correctly. Later I heard a rumor it was all marketing...
Of course if u going to dream, it would be a full frame 35mm 40mpx:D
Gary
It could very well have been all marketing at the time, trying to sense the interest. There are several factors at play here:
# Will the cost of the unit approximate the cost of a full digital camera with the same IQ specs?
# Will users be willing to pay the cost of the unit instead of buying a full digital camera with the same IQ specs?
# Will enough users hold on to their analogue cameras, that there will actually be a market for the unit?
It seems likely to me that such a market probe at the time would have resulted in lack of interest with users, because they didnīt want to hold on to their analogue cameras.
I would have liked to have this option today, freeing me from dragging both analogue and digital camera along. The instant-vewing-factor means nothing to me. You would probably have to open the camera to change sensitivity (ISO) on the unit. I wouldnīt have minded that either, since I have to do that already when changing to a film with another sensitivity.
For me, 10 megapixels with such a unit would have sufficed, providing it gave me the option to choose ISO from 100 to 3200, with a decent result noise-wise.
Full frame (24x36) digital ... sensor from the D700 would be fine.
Good usable ISO up to 6400 ... as per D700. ^^^
Electronic viewfinder ... like my OM-D. (you can focus it in the dark ~ incredible!)
In camera image stabilization ... like the OM-D.
Somewhere between the size of the D700 and the OM-D. (controls are a little squeezy on the OM-D and the Nikon is a tank)
Built tough ... like the Nikon. (already broke the viewfinder eyecup of the OM-D just getting it out of the camera bag for ****'s sake!)
Is this so much to ask?
Actually.. What you describe should be exactly what the new Sony FF camera due out this year is. Full frame, EVF, smaller body, in body IS.
Unfortunately it's also a Sony, which means it'll probably be crippled in some way.
A camera with build-in talent.
A camera with build-in talent.
... your camera would produce the better photos I expect :)
... your camera would produce the better photos I expect :)
Absolutely. :D
nice thought, Keith.
The problem with ff sensors is the need for retrofocus lenses. Manufacturers have tried to get around the problem (of oblique rays hitting the sensor) using offset microlenses.
What I want to see is a digital ff sensor that is curved in 3 dimensions (like a bowl) to allow a plane of focus that is equidistant from the lens exit element across its entire surface. That would enable existing M-lenses to focus accurately across the entire frame without the problems associated with oblique rays or work-arounds like offset microlenses.
That would be nirvana!
oftheherd
08-03-2012, 01:09
It could very well have been all marketing at the time, trying to sense the interest. There are several factors at play here:
# Will the cost of the unit approximate the cost of a full digital camera with the same IQ specs?
# Will users be willing to pay the cost of the unit instead of buying a full digital camera with the same IQ specs?
# Will enough users hold on to their analogue cameras, that there will actually be a market for the unit?
It seems likely to me that such a market probe at the time would have resulted in lack of interest with users, because they didnīt want to hold on to their analogue cameras.
I would have liked to have this option today, freeing me from dragging both analogue and digital camera along. The instant-vewing-factor means nothing to me. You would probably have to open the camera to change sensitivity (ISO) on the unit. I wouldnīt have minded that either, since I have to do that already when changing to a film with another sensitivity.
For me, 10 megapixels with such a unit would have sufficed, providing it gave me the option to choose ISO from 100 to 3200, with a decent result noise-wise.
I have often dreamed of such a module. But I am still not giving up film so I guess not having it isn't going to stop me from taking photos. But it would be neat to be able to switch from digital to film with such ease.
I want a digital back to clip on to my OM-1 and OM-2sp bodies.
For $1000.
Hey, I'll make a few concessions to keep the price down to $1K. The sensor can be 18X24mm, and by the way comes with a new set of focusing screens for the OM marked to show the field of view. The power supply/card holder/electronics etc. are housed in a power winder sized box that attaches to the bottom of the camera.
Did I mention the price, $1K?
Oh HE double hockey sticks! If I'm going to dream lets say there are 2 versions, one for color and one without the Bayer array for B&W only.
And no, they can't charge me twice a much for the B&W only sensor. Same price for each unit $1K.
Can be tethered for studio use. Direct dial for ISO setting. A small battery powered mobile ink jet printer is also available for printing 3X4 inch prints in the field to hand out to the rabble. Price $400.
Hey, this dreaming stuff is kinda fun.
nice thought, Keith.
The problem with ff sensors is the need for retrofocus lenses. Manufacturers have tried to get around the problem (of oblique rays hitting the sensor) using offset microlenses.
What I want to see is a digital ff sensor that is curved in 3 dimensions (like a bowl) to allow a plane of focus that is equidistant from the lens exit element across its entire surface. That would enable existing M-lenses to focus accurately across the entire frame without the problems associated with oblique rays or work-arounds like offset microlenses.
That would be nirvana!
Having worked for Texas Instruments for IC and Darlington production I doubt that an efficient masking technology could be developed for spherical surfaces, especially for today's requirements of generally less than 1-micron resolution. Etching could be another substantial issue as depth is to be measured in reference to a plane.
Also, such a curved surface would work fine with lenses of over 45-50 degrees, but what about the teles?
I think this was one of the reasons why the major players were (apparently) cautious in jumping into the mirrorless sector; what the Nex-7 wrt the Nex-5N has pointed to: Offset microlenses seem to be the only solution and not a costly one; however they function well with CCD-cells but not so well with the CMOS.. Certainly there should be a R&D going on in regard to this issue.
Also, pure conventional designs might not work well on the CCD-microlenses too (Biogon 21/4.5 or Summilux 24/1.4 corner smearing or color shift issues.. ) The best design approach is from Fujifilm XP1, totally custom design with huge rear elements however they were to cover only APS-C format.
IMHO, there could be also another factor for this: The future full-size due to AF and size requirements could well be the APS-C size.. Today the APS-C can easily satisfy the ISO-6400 capability, resolution of 24MP (next year most certainly over 30MP) and the lens design for this format could be less problematic than the one for FF.. I think Leica too is working on this format for their future models, we might even see a concept camera in this Photokina. (AF is unavoidable for any company to survive.)
Nice game. My fantasy camera is a back to basics one, something exactly like my Leica M3, only with a sensor instead of film. Top range, full frame sensor, with dynamic range like film, high resolution, and high iso performance. Marry that to a body no bigger than my M3, and don't give me anything else, other than a meter, ability to control aperture, shutter speed, iso and white balance, all with a viewfinder and build quality from a bygone age. Forget about the lcd, or any other incentive for me to tinker with settings, I will review pictures afterwards, and will plug the camera into my computer via usb to change settings. Settings could be allocated to a specific bank (A, B, C, D, etc), and a hard control on the body would allow you to switch between them as you wished. Think of it as the ability to change film on the fly.
Most of all, my fantasy would be for such a camera to be designed by a company like Ricoh, who are in the business (at least with their GR-D range) of designing and making cameras for photographers. This would be a serious machine for photographers, unpolluted with unnecessaries. In fact, would love if some lunatic at Leica was reading this, and saw that they could go with such a camera above, and maintain everything a lot of people like about Leica, while at the same time running a second range of rangefinders, where innovation would rule supreme with evf's, zoomable viewfinders, et al.
thanks BobYIL, that's very interesting!
Bobfrance
08-03-2012, 02:49
I happy with my camera equipment but I would like to see a digital Mamiya 7ii with a 6x7 sensor and perhaps an X100 that takes film.*
Not a lot to ask is it? :)
*Obviously all for $1K or $1.5k for the two.
Slightly off topic:eek:
How about the digital holy grail for legacy camera body...?
The digital film cartridge that some startup in the late 80 or early 90 tried to do? The electronics was in the main cartridge and the sensor was on a thin strip across the shutter. The company went under before it came out with a prototype if I remember correctly. Later I heard a rumor it was all marketing...
Of course if u going to dream, it would be a full frame 35mm 40mpx:D
Gary
Complete with PCMCIA connector!
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2001/02/16/pma04#siliconfilm
buzzardkid
08-03-2012, 03:09
My request: a digital back for my Rolleiflex 2.8F.
Same size as the 120 negative please. Interchangeable with the original back. Storage on SD-card. Battery pack at the rear, so it doesn't interfere with the bottom lock. Simple monochrome LCD at the back for settings only.
Should be pretty easy, since the shutter is a leaf shutter in the lens and does not require any coupling with the back. The back would only need two buttons to make it work with the lens: 'Record' and 'Save'
Anyone build me one? :angel:
fireblade
08-03-2012, 03:09
Full frame (24x36) digital ... sensor from the D700 would be fine.
Good usable ISO up to 6400 ... as per D700. ^^^
Electronic viewfinder ... like my OM-D. (you can focus it in the dark ~ incredible!)
In camera image stabilization ... like the OM-D.
Somewhere between the size of the D700 and the OM-D. (controls are a little squeezy on the OM-D and the Nikon is a tank)
Built tough ... like the Nikon. (already broke the viewfinder eyecup of the OM-D just getting it out of the camera bag for ****'s sake!)
Is this so much to ask?
the upcoming Fuji X pro 2 ?? :)
the upcoming Fuji X pro 2 ?? :)
He didn't list it, but he probably wants auto focus too!
He didn't list it, but he probably wants auto focus too!
No autofocus thanks ... I forgot to mention that!
I thought I was being a little ambitious but reading back through this thread ... maybe not so much! :D
Bobfrance
08-03-2012, 03:27
My request: a digital back for my Rolleiflex 2.8F.
Same size as the 120 negative please. Interchangeable with the original back. Storage on SD-card. Battery pack at the rear, so it doesn't interfere with the bottom lock. Simple monochrome LCD at the back for settings only.
Should be pretty easy, since the shutter is a leaf shutter in the lens and does not require any coupling with the back. The back would only need two buttons to make it work with the lens: 'Record' and 'Save'
Anyone build me one? :angel:
I'd like that too, though I wouldn't like a bulky sensor protruding out of the back.
You can get the Rolleiflex 6008 with a digital back, which has always looked pretty nice to me.
... can I have a tripod that walks round behind me like a puppy? ... on a serious note
... can I have a tripod that walks round behind me like a puppy? ... on a serious note
Yes. You need to have a library chair to go underneath it first, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UWwN6fFrU8
And you're sorta confined to the library for now.
Yes. You need to have a library chair to go underneath it first, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UWwN6fFrU8
And you're sorta confined to the library for now.
Well there you go ... the electric toothbrush started out as a joke in a Si-Fi novel
Well there you go ... the electric toothbrush started out as a joke in a Si-Fi novel
Considering the fact that tripods have legs and you'd like to take them outdoors, you might also be interested in the walking table.
No motordrive available yet, I'm afraid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBOdZ6nhDJg
gilpen123
08-03-2012, 04:34
An RD2 with full frame 12 mp B&W only.
At least two years ago I brain stormed a conceptual Nikon Digital SP built around (obviously) a SP body with a D700 sensor. At this point in time I would update that dream to a D800 sensor and while dreaming, expect live view, too.
On a practical note, I could be happy with a Leica M9 with the IQ of the D700. I did a test recently of my D700 at ISO 12,800 and got files as good as, if not better than, my M8.2 at ISO 1250.
The sensor in the D700 is phenominal IMO. As good as the little OM-D is when I look closely at the Nikon's files they are quite a leap ahead ... which is to be expected!
No autofocus thanks ... I forgot to mention that!
I thought I was being a little ambitious but reading back through this thread ... maybe not so much! :D
Ahh, then maybe an XPro 2 will fit your needs after all...
Ahh, then maybe an XPro 2 will fit your needs after all...
... Except it won't be full frame (35mm sized sensor).
aleksanderpolo
08-03-2012, 08:03
We can keep dreaming. But perhaps we can also partition Ricoh to bring out the FF M module. The A12 is their labor of love so I guess they have the least resistance to something along the line. It's hard to see how Fuji/Sony/Samsung/m4/3 would give up their current mirrorless lenses lineup and go for FF.
Complete with PCMCIA connector!
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2001/02/16/pma04#siliconfilm
Gdi
Yes thanks... It was silicon film I was thinking about
Gary
Canon 5D stripped down to the base basics.
No LCD display.
1 Turn wheel for shutter speed / P / A mode
Small monochrome lcd for readout off other settings like iso etc.
N0 AF
Different mat glass for best manual focussing
Use with Zeiss lenses..
farlymac
08-03-2012, 08:57
A digital Polaroid. Oh wait, they already make one. Gotta go.
PF
zerobuttons
08-04-2012, 01:10
Complete with PCMCIA connector!
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2001/02/16/pma04#siliconfilm
Hmmmm......
http://cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/index.php/Silicon_Film
Rather disappointing.
Roger Hicks
08-04-2012, 01:32
Having worked for Texas Instruments for IC and Darlington production I doubt that an efficient masking technology could be developed for spherical surfaces, especially for today's requirements of generally less than 1-micron resolution. Etching could be another substantial issue as depth is to be measured in reference to a plane.
Also, such a curved surface would work fine with lenses of over 45-50 degrees, but what about the teles?
I think this was one of the reasons why the major players were (apparently) cautious in jumping into the mirrorless sector; what the Nex-7 wrt the Nex-5N has pointed to: Offset microlenses seem to be the only solution and not a costly one; however they function well with CCD-cells but not so well with the CMOS.. Certainly there should be a R&D going on in regard to this issue.
Also, pure conventional designs might not work well on the CCD-microlenses too (Biogon 21/4.5 or Summilux 24/1.4 corner smearing or color shift issues.. ) The best design approach is from Fujifilm XP1, totally custom design with huge rear elements however they were to cover only APS-C format.
IMHO, there could be also another factor for this: The future full-size due to AF and size requirements could well be the APS-C size.. Today the APS-C can easily satisfy the ISO-6400 capability, resolution of 24MP (next year most certainly over 30MP) and the lens design for this format could be less problematic than the one for FF.. I think Leica too is working on this format for their future models, we might even see a concept camera in this Photokina. (AF is unavoidable for any company to survive.)
Highlight: For the mass market, yes. or small companies? Not necessarily. Think Alpa. The only question is, how small is a small company?
Otherwise, thanks very much for a clear, informed summary.
Cheers,
R.
Ronald_H
08-04-2012, 02:13
Full frame (24x36) digital ... sensor from the D700 would be fine.
Good usable ISO up to 6400 ... as per D700. ^^^
Electronic viewfinder ... like my OM-D. (you can focus it in the dark ~ incredible!)
In camera image stabilization ... like the OM-D.
Somewhere between the size of the D700 and the OM-D. (controls are a little squeezy on the OM-D and the Nikon is a tank)
Built tough ... like the Nikon. (already broke the viewfinder eyecup of the OM-D just getting it out of the camera bag for ****'s sake!)
Is this so much to ask?
You and me both Keith... That's exactly what I also want... and would be willing to pay for.
Mattco26
08-05-2012, 17:58
Canon 5D stripped down to the base basics.
No LCD display.
1 Turn wheel for shutter speed / P / A mode
Small monochrome lcd for readout off other settings like iso etc.
N0 AF
Different mat glass for best manual focussing
Use with Zeiss lenses..
Why wouldn't you just buy a 5D and change the focus screen?
Why wouldn't you just buy a 5D and change the focus screen?
Make it a Les than $2K camera.
Avoid distractions.
Make it a Les than $2K camera.
Avoid distractions.
I passed a 5d up yesterday for $300 in excellent condition. Would have bought it if I had the money.
It's already pretty much the most basic DSLR you can get - why would you want one without an LCD? You don't have to actually use the LCD - ever, if you don't want to.
Mattco26
08-06-2012, 15:31
I passed a 5d up yesterday for $300 in excellent condition. Would have bought it if I had the money.
It's already pretty much the most basic DSLR you can get - why would you want one without an LCD? You don't have to actually use the LCD - ever, if you don't want to.
Right, I'm more interested in a camera that doesn't exist at all, for lens mounts that have no current system. I don't see the point of stripping down something that already exists, just ignore the stuff you don't use, it's not that hard. Set the camera up the way you want to and leave it alone.
Also, if you can afford to buy Zeiss lenses in EF mount then you can afford a used 5D pretty easily.
Robin3mj
01-26-2013, 19:45
I want an OM-D with the handling of a Canon G10.
If I could live with a 35mm lens, the Sony RX1 would do it for me. I tried out a friend's. Fantastic camera!
Just yesterday, while looking through my Sigma DP2 archive and editing some photos, I thought that I would really love a small CSC body with the Foveon (Merrill) sensor, optimized for M-glas, some nifty MF function (like the split-screen MF of the X100s), combined with the ZM C Biogon 2.8/35 (my fav. lens on the M8.2). The crop would be fine with me.
My X-E1 with better EVF, better AF and an exposure compensation dial that stays put. And secondarily a bolt on instax printer unit 1/3 the size of the camera. ;)
+1 on the digital mamiya 7!
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