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135format
05-15-2012, 19:01
I haven't been following the x-pro threads so a quick question: Does the x-pro make the x-100 effectively obsolete for anyone thinking of buying a new fuji x-series camera?
keytarjunkie
05-15-2012, 19:07
Not at all. The X100 easily fits in my jacket pocket, but I don't think the X-Pro 1 could...especially without removing the lens. It's also a totally different price point. I waited for the X-Pro 1 to be released, and then decided that it was not what I was looking for and bought the X100. There's nothing obsolete about the X100, in fact I can think of no other camera like it (digital, fixed focal length non-interchangeable ~35mm lens, large sensor) that can really compete. I guess similar cameras would be the Konica Hexar AF, Contax T2 and T3, Fuji Klasse S, and Sigma DP2....whereas similar cameras to the X-Pro 1 are the Contax G2 and Hexar RF.
I don't think so. I have both and plan to continue to use both even when Fuji releases the 23 x mount lens. The x100 with built in flash and leaf shutter plus compact size is easy to put in my acket pocket and go out. With the leaf shutter any flash I use will sync at practically any speed.
Think of the x100 as a Konica AF type of camera and the xp1 as a digital contax g.
Gary
They just announced/released a new wide-angle converter lens today and updated the firmware for it, so absolutely, no.
It won't be obsolete until the x200 comes out...
loquax ludens
05-15-2012, 19:16
Fuji apparently doesn't consider the X100 obsolete. They just announced the new WCL-X100 wide conversion lens. It produces a .8x focal length magnification that converts the 23mm (35mm equivalent) focal length to 19mm (28mm equivalent).
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/05/15/Fujifilm-WCL-X100-wide-angle-converter-lens-firmware-v-1-3-0
With the addition of an adapter lens that Fuji just released, I think they consider the x100 to be a serious camera that will live along side the Xpro1.
I think Fuji mentioned that they were going to have an "X family" of sorts. They make the x10 compact, the x100 and the xpro1. If they update the x100, it will be to produce something with a faster AF, redesigned button layout and and improved sensitivity. Lets hope the x200 gets the new sensor in the Fuji Xpro1!
zwarte_kat
05-15-2012, 19:24
I use the X100 almost daily. I tried out the xpro in the store every time I go there, and frankly, it feels like a piece of crap compared to the x100.
I am sure that the images are amazing, and I am very interested to try out their upcoming M mount, but for now it's too much of an investment for me. Having the X100, and my GRX M Mount for m lenses, I already have the best of both worlds in a TWO camera setup that costs about the same as one Xpro plus lens and crappy m mount.
The upcoming wide converter plus firmware update only made the X100 more interesting and shows how Fuji has not forgotten this camera. But even without it, the X100 beats the Xpro as an everyday bring along camera with everything included: ND Filter, good fill flash, stealthier sound, and faster file saving as far as I noticed.
They both have their place though, and I can imaging people opting for the xpro if they don't have anything else, even if they only use the 50mm.
x100 (compared to the x-pro1):
- Significantly smaller
- Almost totally silent (leaf shutter vs normal shutter)
- 1/2000th shutter flash sync due to leaf shutter
- Has a lens that was specifically designed for its sensor, and sensor designed specifically for its lens. Thus the lens can be tiny and still optically excellent even wide open. Thus, less CA than x-pro1 with its lenses.
- Under half the price of the x-pro1
- Built in flash
- Built in 3 stop ND filter
So no, not even close to obsolete. In fact it's the only camera of its 'type' (optical vf/electronic vf, tiny, fixed fast lens, manual controls, big sensor) available on the market, and probably will be for a very long time.
I find it interesting that the meaning of obsolescence seems to be shifting. From a traditional view, if we are talking about whether a camera could make a decent image, then just about any decent digital camera in the last 6 years has been capable of that. But nowadays, it has more to do with whether or not something else out there that offers more for the same money. If that's the criteria, then maybe so? I don't know if I could ever justify over 1 large for a fixed lens camera considering the alternatives, but to each their own.
spyderphil
05-15-2012, 19:39
It's great that the X100 has matured via the firmware upgrades and become an even better camera. Its more pocketable, easier to travel with and has better RAW support than its big brother.
The Pro is still early in the product cycle with respect to firmware tweaks from its release. When the X100 came out I debated hard on keeping it but, with the upgrades, I have both and want both. Its fantastic Fuji put so much effort, compared to other makers, into improving an existing product. One gets the feeling other manufacturers would rather make a new camera than update an existing one when possible.
f16sunshine
05-15-2012, 19:56
Simple answer is... no it is not obsolete. It is a genuine one of a kind. It's brother the XP1 is simply another genuine one of a kind. Related but not same or redundant. That said, when I bought the XP1 the intention was to use it along side the x100. I have yet to actually put them both to work on a project.
jsrockit
05-16-2012, 03:59
Obsolete, no. Less attractive, yes. (for me anyway). I'm in love with the X-Pro1.
Teuthida
05-18-2012, 17:36
I give the OP high marks for the great parody post.
Next subject: Given the impending introduction of the M10, is the MM now obsolete?
Phil_F_NM
05-18-2012, 18:15
The M10 is sooo May 9th. It's already obsolete.
Phil Forrest
Aristophanes
05-18-2012, 18:33
I haven't been following the x-pro threads so a quick question: Does the x-pro make the x-100 effectively obsolete for anyone thinking of buying a new fuji x-series camera?
Depends on the price one can afford for a kit system.
IMO the X100 is now over-priced and Canon and others have not been resting.
Richard G
05-18-2012, 18:46
The X100 is so good it's scarcely believable. A unique camera. Serious users here call it the best camera ever. The manufacturer's boldness of one focal length and the advantages of that mated with the remarkable sensor and software is only approached by the boldness of another maker's black and white only FF RF. It doesn't matter how good the X-Pro 1 is: the standing of the X100 is not diminished.
jsrockit
05-19-2012, 02:20
IMO the X100 is now over-priced and Canon and others have not been resting.
Over-priced compared to what? A dslr?
Sejanus.Aelianus
05-19-2012, 02:58
I remember a friend, who had been a R.A.F. test pilot, telling me that all military aircraft are obsolete before they enter service, because "the opposition" are doing their damnedest to make them so. I rather think that something similar applies to digital cameras.
Fuji made sure it was not obsolete by holding off on releasing the 35mm (equivalent) lens. Without this focal length, the Xpro1 is not an option for many. When that comes out, the X100 will be obsolete.
Just playing devil's advocate here. I opted for NEX instead, and no regrets. Though I'd happily use the x100 if someone gave me one.
Bike Tourist
05-19-2012, 03:05
I only have an X100 at present. My new XP1 is a few days away from arriving. I don't expect the XP1 to supplant the X100 — just to augment it. One thing I'm looking forward to is the 70-200 Zoom for the XP1. Remember the Leica Visoflex? Like that, only better. Just switch to the EVF and mount the zoom lens!
paulfish4570
05-19-2012, 03:38
two Xs, Dick? cool ...
Teuthida
05-19-2012, 03:48
Depends on the price one can afford for a kit system.
IMO the X100 is now over-priced .
Right. Remind me how much a 35mm Summicron is......
Bike Tourist
05-19-2012, 04:10
two Xs, Dick? cool ...
Well, we'll see how it works with no DSLR, Paul!
paulfish4570
05-19-2012, 04:13
you could give your stock web portfolio a new name: "XX Stock Shots." :)
boomguy57
05-19-2012, 05:06
As has been said already, no. It's a great little camera that has unique attributes that the XP1 can't match (size, quiet shutter, RAW support, etc).
I haven't bought into the XP1 system, and don't plan on it. But the X100 is a fantastic camera.
willie_901
05-19-2012, 06:04
Not obsolete, just more specialized than before.
The size, whisper quiet shutter and flash sync speed are unique for a digital camera.
x100 (compared to the x-pro1):
- Significantly smaller
- Almost totally silent (leaf shutter vs normal shutter)
- 1/2000th shutter flash sync due to leaf shutter
- Has a lens that was specifically designed for its sensor, and sensor designed specifically for its lens. Thus the lens can be tiny and still optically excellent even wide open. Thus, less CA than x-pro1 with its lenses.
- Under half the price of the x-pro1
- Built in flash
- Built in 3 stop ND filter
So no, not even close to obsolete. In fact it's the only camera of its 'type' (optical vf/electronic vf, tiny, fixed fast lens, manual controls, big sensor) available on the market, and probably will be for a very long time.
Fuji made sure it was not obsolete by holding off on releasing the 35mm (equivalent) lens. Without this focal length, the Xpro1 is not an option for many. When that comes out, the X100 will be obsolete.
Just playing devil's advocate here. I opted for NEX instead, and no regrets. Though I'd happily use the x100 if someone gave me one.
Considering the differences listed above, I don't really see how a 23mm lens for the x-pro1 will make the x100 obsolete - have you compared the two cameras? The x100 is a fair bit smaller.
helenhill
05-19-2012, 06:08
Why should it be considered Obsolete... Good Size Sensor, Quiet, Easy Portability, Beautiful Sharpness & Rendering
As long as it Produces & Performs to your Liking its a Valuable Tool
regardless of how many other 'New' Toys have come out on the Market
;)
johannielscom
05-19-2012, 06:53
The X100 is só obsolete, nobody should want to be seen with it.
Any obsolete X100 you want to dispose of in a decent way, can be sent to me.
PM's welcome. :D:D:D
And as I sit here, there is, just four hundred metres up the road, an 'as new' x100 perched quietly on an unlit shelf...Available to any taker for about the price of an xpro lens.
-doomed-
05-19-2012, 07:36
I loved mine, it just didn't fit my style or needs. I doubt it's obsolete, i'd say it's in its own category, however.
Bike Tourist
05-19-2012, 07:44
you could give your stock web portfolio a new name: "XX Stock Shots." :)
Ha! Then a lot of people would be disappointed.
Phil_F_NM
05-19-2012, 07:45
I just got mine and for the moment I'm in the honeymoon phase. This is hotter, faster, younger sister to my M9 and as a result I'm not shooting the Leica at all recently. The X100 has taken the place of a 35mm lens on my M9, allowing me to shoot with a different focal length on the Leica at the same time.
Still getting used to the camera though, as I've had it barely a week now.
Phil Forrest
Is the the X100 obsolete?
No... but perhaps everything else is...?!
viramati
05-21-2012, 13:54
Had mine for a year and the reality is that with the firmware updates this camera is getting better and better. A classic in the making and brilliant at what it does
I don't think mine would be obsolete if it was reliable.. just got the sticky aperture blades for the 2nd time. *sigh
luibargi
05-22-2012, 13:19
I agree 100% with keytarjunkie, GaryLH and others.
I've been a RF and SRL film shooter for 35 years and when for some reasons I needed a digital camera, possibly a RF camera, then my choice went to the X100.
I also had an X-Pro1 for a full day to try but decided for the X100, I did not want another 'system' to carry with me.
I may take out my F1-N or Pentax LX or Rolleiflex with some lenses and a pocketful of films but the X100 will always be with me.
135format
05-23-2012, 11:58
Ok guys I got the message. The X100 isn't obsolete.
luibargi
06-14-2012, 13:22
I'll keep using my X100 for all the reasons above (technical) but mainly because IT IS NOT a system like XPro1. If I will need a system (i.e. body and a number of lenses) for that price I would rather go for a small sized DSLR.
douglasf13
06-17-2012, 21:01
Considering the differences listed above, I don't really see how a 23mm lens for the x-pro1 will make the x100 obsolete - have you compared the two cameras? The x100 is a fair bit smaller.
Yeah, no kidding. Aside from the differences listed above, I also think X-Pro1 shooters are going to be surprised just how big the 23/2 lens will be. The majority of the lens elements of the X100 are actually inside the camera body, which Fuji can do, because it is a fixed lens. I'd imagine the 23/2 for the X-Pro1 will be as big as the 35/1.4.
I've got a system in the NEX-7 plus a 19mm, 30mm and 50mm, but, to be honest, since I bought the X100, I haven't really used my NEX-7, despite the excellent IQ. I may sell the NEX-7.
gilpen123
06-17-2012, 21:57
Haven't you guys heard of the X100Bs, a 40 mm fixed lens B&W only? X100 will be obsolete in 5 years.
Yeah, no kidding. Aside from the differences listed above, I also think X-Pro1 shooters are going to be surprised just how big the 23/2 lens will be. The majority of the lens elements of the X100 are actually inside the camera body, which Fuji can do, because it is a fixed lens. I'd imagine the 23/2 for the X-Pro1 will be as big as the 35/1.4.
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+1
Was actually thinking the same thing on Friday, but I was thinking somewhere between the 18 and 35....
The 23 on the x100 is so short that it looks more like a pancake lens. I was shooting with it last week and I am still amazed at the pictures this little camera can take. Fuji said the lens was specially designed for the x100. There are no compromises.
Gary
Haven't you guys heard of the X100Bs, a 40 mm fixed lens B&W only? X100 will be obsolete in 5 years.
:). Not :rolleyes:
With digital rot, 5 years maybe an eternity, but from my perspective, the x100 is already good enough for me that I don't care. I plan to keep using it for the for see able future.
Doesn't mean I don't want to c a x200 :D with a 40 or 50 f2 :D
Gary
PS. I have had mine since the second month they arrived in US. I think I may have been number 6 at Brian's store.
douglasf13
06-23-2012, 10:19
+1
Was actually thinking the same thing on Friday, but I was thinking somewhere between the 18 and 35....
The 23 on the x100 is so short that it looks more like a pancake lens. I was shooting with it last week and I am still amazed at the pictures this little camera can take. Fuji said the lens was specially designed for the x100. There are no compromises.
Gary
The short lens of the X100 is actually a bit of an illusion. The "lens" section of the camera only houses a few elements. Most of the optical elements are in the camera body itself, with the last element pushed right up against the sensor. That's the advantage of using a fixed lens.
This is how big the lens really is, if you were to remove it from the camera body:
http://www.finepix-x100.com/sites/all/modules/x100/content/images/story/lens-4.jpg
To answer the OP ... I sure hope not. If it is, then I have to retire the brand new 4x5 I bought 2 months ago, and my wife is going to be REALLY pi$$ed that I spent all that money for nuthin'. Sheesh, I hate it when technology changes. Ya just can't do anything these days without getting burned by change.
The short lens of the X100 is actually a bit of an illusion. The "lens" section of the camera only houses a few elements. Most of the optical elements are in the camera body itself, with the last element pushed right up against the sensor. That's the advantage of using a fixed lens.
This is how big the lens really is, if you were to remove it from the camera body:
http://www.finepix-x100.com/sites/all/modules/x100/content/images/story/lens-4.jpg
Thanks for providing the visual update on the size... It it bigger behind the camera body than I imagined. So it may really end closer to the 35 then.
Gary
douglasf13
06-25-2012, 11:42
Thanks for providing the visual update on the size... It it bigger behind the camera body than I imagined. So it may really end closer to the 35 then.
Gary
Yeah, probably. The Sony 24/1.8, while being slightly faster, is even longer than the Fuji 35/1.4, so I'd imagine the Fuji 23/2 will be in the same size ballpark as the 35/1.4. If you want small, fixed lens is the way to go.
Yeah, probably. The Sony 24/1.8, while being slightly faster, is even longer than the Fuji 35/1.4, so I'd imagine the Fuji 23/2 will be in the same size ballpark as the 35/1.4. If you want small, fixed lens is the way to go.
http://www.fujirumors.com/here-is-the-new-fuji-x-lens-roadmap/
If this rumor is true, it is going to be a 23f1.4 :p :D
Gary
douglasf13
06-26-2012, 14:47
http://www.fujirumors.com/here-is-the-new-fuji-x-lens-roadmap/
If this rumor is true, it is going to be a 23f1.4 :p :D
Gary
Yikes, then the lens is likely to be much bigger. While I appreciate Fuji going for f1.4 in several lenses, I'd rather have smaller, f2 lenses across the board, I'd imagine.
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