View Full Version : So, who's happy with the X-Pro1?
jsrockit
04-10-2012, 04:25
Figured I'd start a thread about those of us that are happy with the X-Pro1 to balance out the negative.
I honestly cannot see why there is so much negativity about the camera. Like the X100, those that were expecting a cheap M9 were bound to be disappointed and those that didn't buy the X100 will have a learning curve in order to obtain comfort. Additionally, firmware updates and early quirks are the norm for cameras these days... just like it is the norm for any computer OS.
I can honestly say the camera works great for my needs and wants. People are complaining about the OVF when Fuji is the ONLY company implementing one. I think they should be applauded for making these cameras.
NOTE: The negative comments can be put in other threads, so please don't pollute this thread with the same old comments about this camera.
david.elliott
04-10-2012, 04:30
I'm very, very happy with mine. :)
I like mine. You will see walking around manhattan slinged across my shoulder. Feel free to say hello :D
DelDavis
04-10-2012, 04:39
I love this camera. Using it with my 35mm Nokton 1.2 with the Kipon adapter. I'm putting two rangefinder bodies up for sale as a result. Comparisons to the M9 seem ludicrous. Apples and orangutans.
jsrockit
04-10-2012, 04:40
I like mine. You will see walking around manhattan slinged across my shoulder. Feel free to say hello :D
You should come to our meet-up this Sunday... 1pm at Puck Fair.
I'm happy with mine :)
Dave
scottwallick
04-10-2012, 05:10
So far so good.
Just figured out that pressing and holding the Q button brings up the customs settings menu. Funny since that's the function I had assigned to the Fn button.
I'm looking forward to Lightroom support for the camera's raw files. It's coming, I know.
The camera's grip is surprisingly nice. Really a comfortable camera to use.
I noticed that about the grip as well Scott - it makes perfect sense to me..
Cheers,
Dave
The camera makes perfect sense to me, the second digital cam to make sense the first being the x100. Its a keeper all right as are 99% of the images I've made so far. I'm a street shooter but work with the street itself rather than the people, so speed is not an issue. One thing I've found to increase the accuracy is a simple half press of the shutter to see where the corrected af box is and move to cover what I want to focus on.
So yes I'm happy Bunny
Sven
willie_901
04-10-2012, 07:47
I am pleased with the XP1. It has become my daily carry. I use the focusing system differently as conditions dictate. The AF is slower than a DSLR (D700) but it is not too slow for my purposes. I do not mind using the EVF when it outperforms the OVF and vice-versa. Manual focus via the lens barrel is not frustrating like it was on the X100. The 35/1.4 lens is wonderful. I did replace the lens hood with the Nikkor HN-1 with a Nikon pinch cap. I shoot with a FX camera almost every day. I do not feel the X's APS-C sensors are a handicap at all. For me, the one stop loss of DOF control and the issues with small focal lengths to achieve wider angles-of-view is a reasonable compromise to enjoy a more portable platform.
erinrules
04-10-2012, 08:00
I am happy with my ownership so far also.I didn't expect it to be something it wasn't,so perhaps that has helped:)
cheers,DK.
coelacanth
04-10-2012, 08:02
I am very happy with mine. AF "issue" people discussing to death was rather expected (and not as bad IMHO) and I am loving the photos coming out of this thing. It's complementing the film Ms, and I am soon making the decision to let go of my trusty M8.2 to "move back" to film Ms entirely while X-Pro1 handles the digital duty. It's not really choosing X-Pro1 over M8 though. M8 (and other digital Ms, probably R-D1 series) is still the best and only true digital M mount system. Other mirrorless, EVIL, large sensor compacts are different species with different strengths from M, and X-Pro1 does what M can't do very well.
I was going to just have 35/1.4 and maybe play with some M mount lenses via adapter, but now looking at the results with the 35mm, I am tempted to try out other XF lenses...
jsrockit
04-10-2012, 08:04
I am pleased with the XP1. It has become my daily carry. I use the focusing system differently as conditions dictate. The AF is slower than a DSLR (D700) but it is not too slow for my purposes. I do not mind using the EVF when it outperforms the OVF and vice-versa. Manual focus via the lens barrel is not frustrating like it was on the X100. The 35/1.4 lens is wonderful. I did replace the lens hood with the Nikkor HN-1 with a Nikon pinch cap. I shoot with a FX camera almost every day. I do not feel the X's APS-C sensors are a handicap at all. For me, the one stop loss of DOF control and the issues with small focal lengths to achieve wider angles-of-view is a reasonable compromise to enjoy a more portable platform.
Well said on all accounts.
Loving mine as well. Looking forward to my "F" adapter and trying out my legacy Nikkors. Also really enjoying the IR capabilities. May be selling my IR-converted D70.
Very much enjoy my X-Pro1.
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I love mine. I have 35mm f1.4 and the grip. Grip is on pretty much all of the time. While, I tend to use my Voigtlander 40mm f1.4 much more than the 35mm. I like the looks better than the 35mm, personal preference :) operationally, it feels bit more streamlined and faster, again personal opinion and preference. I believe it's for rent from lensrentals.com.
Right now, I am considering a wide angle for it. I just bought an Industar 28mm f2.8 from Russia, waiting to see how it will look on the xp1. For $60, it's an easy enough test to do. I just don't like waiting for it to be sent from Russia.
JHutchins
04-10-2012, 09:32
Oh I'm pretty delighted with mine. I suspect it'd be frustrating to use with an autofocus lens longer than the 35, but for longer lenses I've been using and intend to keep using manual focus lenses and they've been working just fine. It isn't nearly as good as focusing with an M3, say, but I can't swear I'm much slower & less reliable with it than with my M8 & it's lower magnification rangefinder. And in terms of the images that come out of it, in the environments that I like to shoot in, it makes the M8 look like it ought to be shaped like Spongebob Squarepants and given to 6 a six year old.
The local shop was able only to give me my choice of 35 or 18, so I've only used the 35 so far, but it's a pretty wonderful lens and while a lot of me knows that the digital world is not like the film world -- it isn't just all about the lens; the body matters a lot -- there's still enough of that mentality in me to think that a camera that uses this lens is one I want to own.
Ryan1938
04-10-2012, 09:36
Coming from an M8 and I'm tickled with mine... I'm really curious to see how Fuji handles the launch of their own m-adaptor, but even if it isn't ideal - I'll still own this one. The Fuji glass has been great for me thus far. Just a great kit.
You should come to our meet-up this Sunday... 1pm at Puck Fair.
Oh thats an interesting idea.
Is this the puck building?
Oh thats an interesting idea.
Is this the puck building?
Puck Fair is right across from the Puck building behind the Hess gas station that's on Houston.
Cal
I am happy with mine as well. I have the 35 and also the hand grip. I really like the handling with the accessary grip. I am waiting for ups today --> the 28 :)
Gary
I really like mine -- not much of a stretch to learn coming from the X100. The lenses seem like nice performers. Use the OVF in power save mode mostly. It makes nice JPEGS also. Nice to see a positive thread about a really nice camera.
Cheers,
Jim
chris00nj
04-10-2012, 10:17
I am very very very happy with mine as well and am confident most interested rangefinder users will be very happy with this camera.
Awesome high ISO performance
The 35/1.4 is an amazing lens at $600.
Out of camera jpegs are fantastic
Lightweight
Hybrid viewfinder
OVF has a magnifier which makes framing the 18 and the 35 equally good.
Reasonable price (considering cost of used M8 $2200)
Video capabilities. Not my primary use, but its nice to have.
Can AF focus faster that I could manually on my Leica.
Framing longer lenses is easier given the EVF is full size
If you put all the variables together: image quality, lens quality, ease of use, price, weight, etc, I would put the X Pro 1 up against any camera.
Bottom line: no better digital camera for the money.
I enjoy my X-Pro1 very much. Great IQ, terrific low light sensitivity, and I am also happy with the AF. I may not use my M8 again. My micro four thirds equipment is also beginning to gather dust.
fearofhummingbird
04-10-2012, 10:56
Coming from an X100, the transition to the XP1 was trivial. Love the camera. A brilliant product.
I am extremely happy with mine! Still waiting for the 18 and 60mm to be delivered, but that aside...
I like it very much, haven´t been as happy with a camera since my father´s Voigtländer Vito B (small, original model) died from shutter failure after more than 20 years, in 1977. :)
Loving mine so far, I have the 35 and the 18, use the 18 more, even tho the 35 is the better lens.
Im still trying to get to grips with all the settings so it is frustrating at times, but that is 1/2 the fun! I love te B&W right out of camera.
When my "new" R-D1 arrives later this week it will be an interesting battle.
Gary H
How about throwing some favorite pictures into this thread along with the comments?
jsrockit
04-10-2012, 12:27
How about throwing some favorite pictures into this thread along with the comments?
Good idea. I'm not the type to rush my editing, but others are probably willing. That said, there is a X-Pro1 image thread already.
Extremely happy, and no regrets selling my M8 and lenses to pay for the three lens system. It works very nicely in tandem with my X100.
Where can I find a nice 60?
jsrockit
04-10-2012, 12:49
Where can I find a nice 60?
ebay, japan, etc.
PrecisionCamera
04-10-2012, 13:11
I am glad to see all these positive reviews and remarks on the camera. I took our floor demo out for the first time last night to a dark and dirty bar. ISO 6400 is just unbelievable! Not to mention a good portrait at f/1.4 on the 35mm!
I am taking it out again tonight to finish up the review, but I am seriously considering dumping all of my equipment besides my RB67 (meaning getting rid of an Olive Bessa R2 with a v3 Summi 50mm, and a huge Canon F1 double body kit, but keeping my 15 Heliar for wides on the XP1) and taking the plunge. I love film, but I'm really missing the turn around time of digital, and this camera just oozes good looking images...
PrecisionCamera
04-10-2012, 13:11
Where can I find a nice 60?
I know the wait is hard, but the US models are coming the end of this month.
Ryan1938
04-10-2012, 13:25
I'm not sure why exactly, but this is my favorite shot with it thus far...
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5445/6919617480_6cf60016bd_c.jpg
35mm at f1.8, ISO 200
olelovold
04-10-2012, 13:37
I'm really happy with it. More so than I thought I would be! I have the 18 and the 35, and I find both to be really good in their own way. I've had it for 3 weeks now. Battery life is a bit bad as expected, so I've ordered two extra ones, as well as a 16GB 95 MB/s Extreme Pro card. I also got a £200 gift voucher from Fuji for preordering it - what I'm spending that on I don't know yet. Probably another lens when more are released.
I don't see where all the complaints on the AF come from. The problems people have with the AF seem to be mostly user error, and not knowing how to operate the camera properly. For example, people say in regards to focusing, "focus on an edge". Much like you would with an SLR. Well, that's wrong, because the CDAF in the digital Fujis doesn't work that way. In fact, if you point it at an edge, it's likely that the focus will struggle more. This is because the CDAF tries to make everything within the AF box sharp, and if you have several planes in different lengths from the camera within the box, the focus will struggle. The correct way to focus is not on an edge, but rather on contrasty areas on the subject. Yet, people who obviously don't know the camera spread misinformation about this all over various forums. It's not an obvious thing, but it only goes to show one important thing: the X-Pro 1 is not an SLR, and it therefore shouldn't be expect to work like one either.
Focusing mode should be Area, and power save mode should be OFF. Otherwise, the autofocus is positively retarded. I also prefer to have the focus switch on M and use the AE-L/AF-L button to focus.
Handling is great. It's just a pleasure to use, I think. The manual controls are so nice, and the grip is very nice too. I like the subtle rise on the front, and the thumb rest under the EV compensation dial at the back.
The weight is fantastic. I have to laugh when people complain that it's too light. If you want it to be heavier, tape some led to it or something, and let the rest of us who actually like not having to work out whilst photographing enjoy our lightweight setup. The camera with all three lenses weighs less than a kilogram - less than my D700 body alone was, while delivering output that comes very close.
I post photos on my flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/olelovold/page1/) from it pretty often, pages 1-7 are XP1 only as of the time of writing.
My favourite so far, a peculiar moment from near London Bridge.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7261/6881342462_50d022cb9c_b.jpg
huntjump
04-10-2012, 13:59
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7261/6881342462_50d022cb9c_b.jpg
Like a movie set. very cool shot
Yes, that is a particularly unusual and interesting shot. Surreal, film set feel. Did you use fill flash, because of course it is backlit, but looks front lit!
Yes, that is a particularly unusual and interesting shot. Surreal, film set feel. Did you use fill flash, because of course it is backlit, but looks front lit!
Looks like a building/window/bustop was reflecting the backlight. I love this sort of light.
I just finished shooting a show with my CV 40mm f1.4 at iso 6400, b&w. I can positively say this camera is ridiculously good. I cannot help but to have a huge smile on my face.
I will post some pics once I go through them and send them to the ppl who hired me in the first place.
EVF focusing @ f1.4, f2, no problem. I hardly ever used the zoom in function.
Great shot, and great tip on the autofocus. I just tried it out, that is freaking fast.
I'm really happy with it. More so than I thought I would be! I have the 18 and the 35, and I find both to be really good in their own way. I've had it for 3 weeks now. Battery life is a bit bad as expected, so I've ordered two extra ones, as well as a 16GB 95 MB/s Extreme Pro card. I also got a £200 gift voucher from Fuji for preordering it - what I'm spending that on I don't know yet. Probably another lens when more are released.
I don't see where all the complaints on the AF come from. The problems people have with the AF seem to be mostly user error, and not knowing how to operate the camera properly. For example, people say in regards to focusing, "focus on an edge". Much like you would with an SLR. Well, that's wrong, because the CDAF in the digital Fujis doesn't work that way. In fact, if you point it at an edge, it's likely that the focus will struggle more. This is because the CDAF tries to make everything within the AF box sharp, and if you have several planes in different lengths from the camera within the box, the focus will struggle. The correct way to focus is not on an edge, but rather on contrasty areas on the subject. Yet, people who obviously don't know the camera spread misinformation about this all over various forums. It's not an obvious thing, but it only goes to show one important thing: the X-Pro 1 is not an SLR, and it therefore shouldn't be expect to work like one either.
Focusing mode should be Area, and power save mode should be OFF. Otherwise, the autofocus is positively retarded. I also prefer to have the focus switch on M and use the AE-L/AF-L button to focus.
Handling is great. It's just a pleasure to use, I think. The manual controls are so nice, and the grip is very nice too. I like the subtle rise on the front, and the thumb rest under the EV compensation dial at the back.
The weight is fantastic. I have to laugh when people complain that it's too light. If you want it to be heavier, tape some led to it or something, and let the rest of us who actually like not having to work out whilst photographing enjoy our lightweight setup. The camera with all three lenses weighs less than a kilogram - less than my D700 body alone was, while delivering output that comes very close.
I post photos on my flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/olelovold/page1/) from it pretty often, pages 1-7 are XP1 only as of the time of writing.
My favourite so far, a peculiar moment from near London Bridge.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7261/6881342462_50d022cb9c_b.jpg
Lax Jought
04-11-2012, 05:14
Apples and orangutans.
hah I like this.
Focusing mode should be Area, and power save mode should be OFF. Otherwise, the autofocus is positively retarded. I also prefer to have the focus switch on M and use the AE-L/AF-L button to focus.
Great tip!!!
doncraig
04-12-2012, 14:05
Gotta say, I'm happy with the camera and lenses. I have been using it for work (events and portraits) along with some general testing on the street.
Read a blog post (http://doncraigphoto.wordpress.com/2012/04/12/fujifilm-x-pro1-less-and-more/) about using it for work...
Figured I'd start a thread about those of us that are happy with the X-Pro1 to balance out the negative.
I honestly cannot see why there is so much negativity about the camera. Like the X100, those that were expecting a cheap M9 were bound to be disappointed and those that didn't buy the X100 will have a learning curve in order to obtain comfort. Additionally, firmware updates and early quirks are the norm for cameras these days... just like it is the norm for any computer OS.
I can honestly say the camera works great for my needs and wants. People are complaining about the OVF when Fuji is the ONLY company implementing one. I think they should be applauded for making these cameras.
NOTE: The negative comments can be put in other threads, so please don't pollute this thread with the same old comments about this camera.
Thank you comrade ... the state will reward you with a week's extension on your ration card for your brave action here!
I'm loving mine. I bought it with the 18,35 & 60 kit.
I also bought a bunch of 52mm ND filters so I could shoot open during the day, and do long daylight exposures.
So far I'm loving it!
It has it quirks, but you learn how to work around them, embrace it for what it is, and it's awesome. Good glass, good cam, great quality. It's lovely.
Picked up a used D700 today and have to say that so far the IQ and high ISO can't touch my xp1. Tomorrow I'm heading to Port Dover for Friday the 13th biker gathering. Should be some great street shooting. The D700 won't be attending. ;0)
jsrockit
04-13-2012, 04:27
Picked up a used D700 today and have to say that so far the IQ and high ISO can't touch my xp1.
Hmmm. perhaps an overstatement? :D
nfbuckeye
04-13-2012, 17:27
LOVE it. IQ surpasses the M8 it replaced , IMO.
fiddlergene1
04-14-2012, 18:34
Very happy with the output of mine. The details are amazing. Now if I could just tame the AF :mad:
i also recommend the grip. didn't think i would but i went back and bought the 18mm lens.
frankly, i have NO interest in using my M lenses. don't see the point but the reports of easy manual focusing is interesting nonetheless.
this is the first time i've ever been able to say this -- i see now the possibility of life WITHOUT a Leica M digital. if they're not worried, May 10th better bring a something pretty special or only jewelry collectors will have a compelling reason to buy a digital M.
selling all of my Leica stuff (except my Frankenleica M3 and my IIIf) would easily net me enough for a digital back for my Contax 645 which i now believe is the finest camera and system ever created by man.
Very happy with mine. Not a perfect camera though.
I'm tempted to get rid of the Olympus now (still have the 5DMkII for DSLR need, and the film gear)
jsrockit
04-16-2012, 03:57
Before I owned the X-Pro1, I would've said M8. After owning the X-Pro1, I say X-Pro1. It's that good of a camera. However, if you like the feel of the digital M cameras... the X-Pro1 is not a replacement.
rasterdogs
04-16-2012, 20:19
Really enjoying mine. Size/weight are great. No complaints about AF. My Canon gear is sitting around feeling lonely. Very much like the OOC jpegs. Use the OVF exclusively except for macro things. Have the 35 mm and 18 mm lenses. Both are fine, the 35 is exemplary. Making pictures no longer involves a photo expedition. Women and children no longer run screaming from the streets when I walk by. I attribute this to the Xpro-1 but who knows?
-Rasterdogs
Landshark99
04-16-2012, 20:49
I have two and love them both
Lax Jought
04-16-2012, 21:45
However, if you like the feel of the digital M cameras...
What do you mean by the feel?
Before I owned the X-Pro1, I would've said M8. After owning the X-Pro1, I say X-Pro1. It's that good of a camera. However, if you like the feel of the digital M cameras... the X-Pro1 is not a replacement.
I guess feel includes focusing.
What do you mean by the feel?
Its the way the camera feels in the hand, and the way it takes photographs too. There's a lot of talk about the look of an M9 image wise too and many *** *** this but, it is true! Images taken with an M9 definitely have a different look to them. Can't say why, maybe it's the full frame sensor, maybe it's the lenses, or it could just be both but there is a quality to these images. Now there's also the feel of the camera, it's weight and size, the placement of the controls, etc. it has a solidity to it. My only real dislike is the with the zoom lever on my 35mm Leica lens, it's not the most comfortable way to control the focus but it could just be me as I'm relatively new to Leica's!
Now, the X-Pro1 has a feel of its own and I have to say, it's similar to the M9. Not in weight of course, as it's much lighter but in the way you hold it and the image quality too. It's also just as frustrating as the M9 in its own way!
There's a lot of talk about the look of an M9 image wise too and many *** *** this but, it is true!!
Don't know what happened here but the *** *** was typed as pooh pooh without the H's.
jsrockit
04-17-2012, 03:53
What do you mean by the feel?
Solid, heavy M shaped body (it is unique), manual focus lenses, simplified menus, etc. Totally different experience to the Fujis.
Lax Jought
04-17-2012, 04:05
Images taken with an M9 definitely have a different look to them. Can't say why, maybe it's the full frame sensor, maybe it's the lenses, or it could just be both but there is a quality to these images.
I love Leica images too. I would trawl the Leica/photography forums and drink in all the awesome photos I'd see.
I've been saying for a while, even if it's pure speculation, that this might be because Leicas cost so much so only serious enthusiast photographers would buy one. Serious photographers are more likely to have photographic experience behind them, and therefore are more likely to produce the amazing photographs I see.
Inexperienced or beginner photographers generally go for the DSLRs only and every Tom, Dick, and Harry who calls themselves a photographer (beginner or experienced, good or bad) has one. In the more general photography forums I see a lot more mediocre photography, even with good DSLRs (although there are definitely some really amazing DSLR photographers of course).
Anyway, I see better photography in specialty forums like the Leica and RFF forums.
That's how I rationalise it.
Lax Jought
04-17-2012, 04:07
Solid, heavy M shaped body (it is unique), manual focus lenses, simplified menus, etc. Totally different experience to the Fujis.
ah I thought you were talking about the IQ too.
jsrockit
04-17-2012, 04:11
ah I thought you were talking about the IQ too.
Well, there is a distinctly Kodak look to the M8/M9 files...and obviously a distinctly Fuji look to the X series files. You may laugh, but there is a difference in look between the two (outside of high ISO, etc.) There are days (bright sunlight, etc) were the M9 files look like Kodachrome.
I love Leica images too. I would trawl the Leica/photography forums and drink in all the awesome photos I'd see.
I've been saying for a while, even if it's pure speculation, that this might be because Leicas cost so much so only serious enthusiast photographers would buy one. Serious photographers are more likely to have photographic experience behind them, and therefore are more likely to produce the amazing photographs I see.
That's how I rationalise it.
I believe this, too. The X100 seems to be the 2nd camera to a lot of serious/pro photographers also, and its portfolio benefits from that.
Well, there is a distinctly Kodak look to the M8/M9 files...and obviously a distinctly Fuji look to the X series files. You may laugh, but there is a difference in look between the two (outside of high ISO, etc.) There are days (bright sunlight, etc) were the M9 files look like Kodachrome.
ha funny you should say that, I just downloaded some kodachrome lightroom presets and tried them on my xp1 tiff files. Then it dawned on me... I'm trying to make a fuji sensor look like kodak trannies! No wonder it didnt work.
See if it works for you:
http://x-equals.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=56
jsrockit
04-17-2012, 04:33
Thanks Spyro, I'll check it out.
RealXenuis
04-17-2012, 06:35
LOVe it. Couldn't be happier. Have all 3 lenses. Took it with me on a week-long trip (got back Sun night) and used it extensively. In fact, it was glued to me. Never wanted to use a camera so much as this one. I think that implies more than any description could.
PrecisionCamera
04-17-2012, 06:43
LOVe it. Couldn't be happier. Have all 3 lenses. Took it with me on a week-long trip (got back Sun night) and used it extensively. In fact, it was glued to me. Never wanted to use a camera so much as this one. I think that implies more than any description could.
Glad to hear that worked well for you! How was Boston?
While I can't say that I'm happy, I am a satisfied buyer. I got the X-Pro1 primarily for its high ISO performance & OVF, potentially as a replacement for my D700 (which I had also bought primarily for its high ISO performance, not its AF & other typical pro SLR features) & also as a backup for my M9, so I had relatively high expectations for the sensor & low expectations for the AF & user interface. By those personal measures, the X-Pro1 succeeds. My dream camera (the M10 maybe?) would combine the Leica M optical RF/VF w/a Fuji-quality full-frame sensor, but until that day arrives, having to use both the M9 & X-Pro1 is a 1st World Problem, i.e., not the end of the world.
RealXenuis
04-17-2012, 09:16
Glad to hear that worked well for you! How was Boston?
It was great! Actually, I didn't get to see Boston proper, rather, Waltham, MIT, Harvard area. It was ok...
NYC was lovely, blooms everywhere, great weather.
Virginia...now..gorgeous. Granted, the area I explored was a novelty to some extent - a nature-protected oasis on the bank of a beautiful lake. Pictures (and review) to come!
Dear Members,
Would you :
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=118420
Bill Pierce
04-17-2012, 10:02
A very fast handling street camera… Prefocus and then lock the focus with a one button push. This is what most folks do with a rangefinder camera, focus and then shoot frames until you have to refocus. The Fuji does it superbly and quickly. And, if you understand contrast detection focus (which isn’t so different from rangefinder focus) rather than trying to focus on something with no real tonal differences, the comments I’ve read on the web about focus problems just disappear. That and the excellent high ISO performance also make it a good available light camera.
Bike Tourist
04-17-2012, 10:13
I'm in the process of selling my D7000 kit with an eye toward getting the X Pro 1. Meanwhile, I will continue to explore and learn from the X100.
I have been using my X-Pro1 for three days now, so I am just beginning to appreciate this new camera concept, but I can already say that I am fascinated.
Having used analog SLRs, then DSLRs, then discovered the charm of film RF cameras and then learned to use an X100, I could immediately appreciate the X-Pro1's handling. Hard- and software user interfaces are fairly logical, although I can still imagine improvements. This doesn't come as a surprise to me since this is only the second generation of essentially a new class of camera.
I do love the image quality this camera delivers, and I hope that Adobe won't make us wait too long until Lightroom and/or Photoshop will offer support for this camera's RAW files.
I guess I can soon say goodbye to most of my analog gear, because finally, there's a camera that offers a similar user experience at an affordable (sort of) price tag, yet with all-digital functionality.
rasterdogs
04-18-2012, 05:30
I have two and love them both
Whoa, Two Xpro-1's?
Congrats, but Landshark, you've jumped the shark! :rolleyes:
I'm jealous.
rasterdogs
jsrockit
04-18-2012, 05:50
And, if you understand contrast detection focus (which isn’t so different from rangefinder focus) rather than trying to focus on something with no real tonal differences, the comments I’ve read on the web about focus problems just disappear.
Exactly!!!!
RealXenuis
04-18-2012, 06:42
Glad to hear that worked well for you! How was Boston?
Some photos. More to come (mostly Virginia):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gentrysama/
PrecisionCamera
04-18-2012, 06:47
Some photos. More to come (mostly Virginia):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gentrysama/
Those are looking great! You should really do an X-Pro1 set or at least tag them with X-Pro1 so we can see just those. (Just a suggestion, I'm still loving browsing your stream anyway)
RealXenuis
04-18-2012, 06:54
Those are looking great! You should really do an X-Pro1 set or at least tag them with X-Pro1 so we can see just those. (Just a suggestion, I'm still loving browsing your stream anyway)
I definitely will, thx. I just wanted to get something up quickly and keep momentum going, if you know what I mean. I'll corral them into a set and collection, and batch tag them soon.
PrecisionCamera
04-18-2012, 07:40
I definitely will, thx. I just wanted to get something up quickly and keep momentum going, if you know what I mean. I'll corral them into a set and collection, and batch tag them soon.
Understood. Keep it up so we can bask in the X-Pro1 goodness!
I'm so happy, I've sold my nex-5n with the two lenses to buy the 18mm lens to go with the 35mm.
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RealXenuis
04-20-2012, 13:16
Understood. Keep it up so we can bask in the X-Pro1 goodness!
tagged, in sets btw.
PrecisionCamera
04-20-2012, 13:45
tagged, in sets btw.
Classy & functional.
aanokhin
04-21-2012, 09:02
Anton here from Russia.
Most of the negative threads on this camera are crap, most positive are useful. It is a great and innovative camera, been using it for the last three weeks (one week in Hong Kong) and the learning curve is steep. Folks who had it in their hands for "a day" or "a week" should shut up and stop spreading the "bad news" or "i'm returning my XP1" crap once and for all.
It IS a PRO camera which implies you have to learn to use it. I discover new and surprisingly useful features of this camera every day and it amazes me! AF whine is a dread and should be dismissed as per a Russian saying - "your hands stick out of your ass"
So shut up and shoot!
Lax Jought
04-22-2012, 06:54
Does anyone have any idea about the low light performance of the X-Pro1 compared with the new 5D MkIII?
Does anyone have any idea about the low light performance of the X-Pro1 compared with the new 5D MkIII?
I don't know about the 5D Mk III but I would gladly use the X-Pro1 up to 12,800 ISO no problem... and that would be for weddings.
Cheers,
Dave
Lax Jought
04-22-2012, 07:42
I don't know about the 5D Mk III but I would gladly use the X-Pro1 up to 12,800 ISO no problem... and that would be for weddings.
Cheers,
Dave
Thanks Dave, arrghh I think I may have to go for the 5DMkIII because as I understand it, it should be on par with the XPro1 in terms of low light plus the 5D can do amazing video as well which is important for me.
mobilexile
04-22-2012, 08:08
Anton here from Russia.
Most of the negative threads on this camera are crap, most positive are useful. It is a great and innovative camera, been using it for the last three weeks (one week in Hong Kong) and the learning curve is steep. Folks who had it in their hands for "a day" or "a week" should shut up and stop spreading the "bad news" or "i'm returning my XP1" crap once and for all.
It IS a PRO camera which implies you have to learn to use it. I discover new and surprisingly useful features of this camera every day and it amazes me! AF whine is a dread and should be dismissed as per a Russian saying - "your hands stick out of your ass"
So shut up and shoot!
I appreciate your candid comments, they give me hope that the X-Pro1 is the camera for me.
Thanks Dave, arrghh I think I may have to go for the 5DMkIII because as I understand it, it should be on par with the XPro1 in terms of low light plus the 5D can do amazing video as well which is important for me.
That's fair - the video on the X-Pro1 is not one of the "features" imho :D :D :D
If video is important then I would totally avoid the X-Pro1.
Cheers,
Dave
Lax Jought
04-22-2012, 08:30
That's fair - the video on the X-Pro1 is not one of the "features" imho :D :D :D
If video is important then I would totally avoid the X-Pro1.
Cheers,
Dave
hah thanks, I was half hoping you'd say the 5D does low light better than the XPro1, in which case it would make my decision much much easier. But dammit you had to go mention the magic 12,800 number didn't you. :bang::bang::bang: :D
willie_901
04-22-2012, 17:57
Dave's advice is right on target. The XP1 is not going to beat the 5DIII at video.
Until we get the DxO numbers we won't know how the high ISO compares quantitatively. I doubt you would see much difference though based on what I have seen so far with my XP1.
Lax Jought
04-22-2012, 20:03
Well the fact that the XPro1 does not allow you to control shutter, goes a long way against the full manual control in video that I would need.
jsrockit
04-23-2012, 04:40
Well the fact that the XPro1 does not allow you to control shutter, goes a long way against the full manual control in video that I would need.
Perhaps the wrong camera for the task? :rolleyes:
Perhaps the wrong camera for the task? :rolleyes:
Yep... that's why I said that if video was important to me I would have never bought the X-Pro1 - A pro DSLR with video (like the 5D Mk III or Nikon D800) is probably the way you would want to go.
I've never gotten the "knack" of video although I do appreciate it and it's fun to play with - but for me, a camera (digital or film) is meant for shooting stills. I guess I'm old fashioned that way :D - just like a phone is a phone and not a camera (I'm sure there are many folks out there that would disagree however).
Cheers,
Dave The Luddite :)
jsrockit
04-23-2012, 05:09
but for me, a camera (digital or film) is meant for shooting stills. I guess I'm old fashioned that way :D - just like a phone is a phone and not a camera (I'm sure there are many folks out there that would disagree however).
Cheers,
Dave The Luddite :)
I feel the same way. I don't think we are luddites... it may be that we just don't like convoluted "swiss army" style devices.
Lax Jought
04-23-2012, 05:27
Perhaps the wrong camera for the task? :rolleyes:
It wouldn't be the wrong camera for me. The closest analogy I can describe here which I'm sure you can understand (seeing as we're in the RFF forum) is how users of Leica cameras describe the simplicity and back-to-basics form of the M cameras as a distinct experience from the DSLR experience. For me personally, I love the rangefinder photography experience by far over the DSLR. My Leica and the single prime lens is a set up I can happily take with me to most photographic circumstances.
As for the video in the XPro1 though, it is so close to the perfect narrative/cinematic filmmaking tool. It's small enough that I can carry everywhere with me, it has the necessary manual prime lens at the three essential lengths that is used in the vast majority of cinematic filmmaking, the APS-C sensor size is roughly the same size as super35mm filmmaking frames which is great, it has awesome ISO performance, and it 'appears' to have decent codec.
One major problem is the shutter, I need full manual control over that which the XPro1 doesn't offer. A second problem is there are apparently no anti-aliasing filters which will create a larger (or more visible distracting) problem in moving pictures than perhaps in still photography. Thirdly, I have yet to see how the XPro1 handles compression in video.
So it's really almost a portable but very capable cinematic kit right there in my hands.
but for me, a camera (digital or film) is meant for shooting stills.
The future is steadily pointing to an amalgamation of both forms of photography (still and moving). I can sort see how it makes sense to develop cameras that can do both as they both sort of share the physical parts and the technology in producing images. The only way where I can see how both forms of photography remain in two separate forms are at the specialty ends of the market. And then it's also a matter of time before the technology catches up I think.
<snip>The future is steadily pointing to an amalgamation of both forms of photography (still and moving). I can sort see how it makes sense to develop cameras that can do both as they both sort of share the physical parts and the technology in producing images. The only way where I can see how both forms of photography remain in two separate forms are at the specialty ends of the market. And then it's also a matter of time before the technology catches up I think.</snip>
The future is already here.
The Canon 5D Mk II, the newer Nikons, and everything after that, included that amalgamation that you talk about. "Convergence" is a term used in so many areas but none more so than in the mobile telecommunications field.
Put it this way; they can put all the bells and whistles into an iPhone (music player, camera, calendar, gaming platform, GPS, video camera etc. etc. etc. ) I'm still only going to use it as a phone (and hence the reason why I don't own an iPhone even though I'm mainly a Mac guy). Similarly, while I have the video functionality (and have had it) in the X-Pro1, the x10 and the Ricoh GRD II (and III), I still only use the camera as a camera and not as a video camera.
Like I said, maybe I'm old fashioned - I would prefer my "things" to do the one thing they were designed to do really really well. :)
So that's why I would say, that unless Fuji decides to really focus (pardon the pun) on making the X-Pro1's video functionality a main selling feature, then you're likely going to have to either "wait" for the right video/still camera for yourself or buy that Canon 5D MK III :)
Cheers,
Dave
I feel the same way. I don't think we are luddites... it may be that we just don't like convoluted "swiss army" style devices.
Agreed :)
I mean, I like a swiss army knife to be a swiss army knife but I want my phone to just be a phone :)
Dave
Dante_Stella
04-23-2012, 06:01
Well the fact that the XPro1 does not allow you to control shutter, goes a long way against the full manual control in video that I would need.
Video? Really?!
Purpose-built video equipment is about the same price and far more functional (only the NEX series seems to do even halfway well with it out-of-the box). The video capability built into mirrorless cameras is more of a fun addition. Though video on a compact still camera really serves no serious purpose, it probably does not take much more engineering to add - and JCII probably requires it to be added to all Japanese cameras (ok, kidding... JCII doesn't exist anymore).
The X-Pro1 has many things that could be better implemented (primarily in firmware), but video is not even near the top of the list of fix-it items.
Dante
Lax Jought
04-23-2012, 06:28
Perhaps the wrong camera for the task? :rolleyes:
Well, I wasn't going to buy the XPro1 for its video. I was saying that if it had shutter control, it would be a pretty big step closer to making my purchasing decisions a harder one. Its other features are just right though.
Lax Jought
04-23-2012, 06:38
The future is already here. The Canon 5D Mk II, the newer Nikons, and everything after that, included that amalgamation that you talk about.
Not quite yet, almost, sort of, but not quite yet. By that I mean a system that can do both stills and motion-capture equally well in one simple package. By that I mean for example raw/dng capture in both stills and motion, full frame for both stills and motion, form factor for both stills and motion.
The DSLRs are still predominantly still photography cameras that can do video really well. On the other hand, the Red cameras are predominantly cinematic cameras that can do still photography very well. So we're almost there in terms of a single camera that can do both equally well.
Put it this way; they can put all the bells and whistles into an iPhone (music player, camera, calendar, gaming platform, GPS, video camera etc. etc. etc. ) I'm still only going to use it as a phone
I feel the same way with regards to my phone.
Similarly, while I have the video functionality (and have had it) in the X-Pro1, the x10 and the Ricoh GRD II (and III), I still only use the camera as a camera and not as a video camera.
Yeah I can totally understand that because I assume it's safe to say that you come from a still photography background and have little interest in video.
So that's why I would say, that unless Fuji decides to really focus (pardon the pun) on making the X-Pro1's video functionality a main selling feature, then you're likely going to have to either "wait" for the right video/still camera for yourself or buy that Canon 5D MK III :)
I know :rolleyes: But still, as I explained in my previous post though, the XPro1 is almost there with a decent video function.
Yes I am one of the happy ones with my Fuji, despite it's flaws, and limits, the results are very much to my liking.
jsirevaag
04-30-2012, 08:18
The X-Pro 1 has exceeded my expectations and I am glad to not have to carry around a large, cumbersome DSLR any more! It takes some time to learn the peculiarities of the camera but, when you do, it is a very simple shooting experience. Fuji got this mostly right, in my opinion.
I love my X-Pro1 after a week of shooting, and with all the negative reviews and whatever I finally decided to just try it for myself. Like others, it has exceeded my expectations in every department. Maybe it was the firmware update, or all the big wig reviewers tested pre-production models, but my experience hasn't been anything other than fantastic.
I made a review on my blog with my findings, I owned an M8, I tried an NEX-7 and wholeheartedly wanted to avoid an dSLR system again.
http://lamlux.net/review-the-fujifilm-x-pro1-and-the-digital-conundrum/
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