x-pro 1 bug list

[fixed point]

I thought it might be useful to have a thread to keep track of bugs we uncover while using the camera. If possible, it would be nice to keep the thread free of complaints like "the AF sucks" or "the aperture is clicky" and stick with things that are pretty clearly just mistakes in the software/firmware.

Here's one I found today...

When you lock focus with the one-touch AF-L lock, you can't use the exposure compensation dial, even if you have the lock button set to not lock exposure. A work-around is to use manual focus, but then you lose the benefit of a smaller AF target and corrected AF frames in OVF.

[skibeerr]

Read your light before focussing, makes sense to me.

[fixed point]

Possibly another one. In OVF mode, if you lock focus, the framelines stay at the infinity focus position until you half-press, then the framelines jump to the correct position. Not a big problem to work around, but if focus has been locked, it seems like the camera might as well show the correct framelines.

Similarly, in MF mode, the OVF doesn't show corrected framelines even upon a half-press.

[fixed point]

Read your light before focussing, makes sense to me.

That often works, but many times I want to lock focus across subjects with different light.

[rbelyell]

Read your light before focussing, makes sense to me.

sure, but it has no effect on the ev comp 'glitch' does it?

[mouren]

You cannot turn off distance scale in EVF when it is in Manual focus mode. Not even in custom display settings.

[mouren]

The AE Lock button does not work in Manual focus mode.

[gavinlg]

sure, but it has no effect on the ev comp 'glitch' does it?

Maybe it's not a glitch. Personally when I hit AE lock, I want it to be locked - hence the term ae LOCK.

[fixed point]

Maybe it's not a glitch. Personally when I hit AE lock, I want it to be locked - hence the term ae LOCK.

Perhaps you missed it in my original post, but I have the button set to af lock only (no ae lock).

[gavinlg]

Perhaps you missed it in my original post, but I have the button set to af lock only (no ae lock).

Gotchya! :angel:

[skibeerr]

The AE Lock button does not work in Manual focus mode.

AE is the complete opposite of manual. From the glitches I see in this thread so far this could have been a Leica M7.

It depends from which direction you come, I come from fully manual mechanical cameras so these problems seem silly to me, on the other hand if you come from a decent dslr with fast autofocus etc you could feel different.

But then, you might have fallen in love with the retro style so the Fuji is consistent :D

[mouren]

Manual focus mode has nothing to do with AE though.

The camera is not in full manual mode, it's just in manual focus mode. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, I come from shooting an M4-2 and Pentacon Six, so I am used to full manual. But all cameras that did have AE, they all worked during manual focus mode, i.e. Mamiya 7, Canon DSLR, etc.

To me this is a glitch, because the two, manual focus and auto exposure are not mutually exclusive.

[CopperB]

I've found that if I'm using the OVF and want to access my ISO setting via the Fn button, I can't. I have to switch to EVF and then hit Fn to change my ISO. ISO is now on Auto 3200.

[fixed point]

I've found that if I'm using the OVF and want to access my ISO setting via the Fn button, I can't. I have to switch to EVF and then hit Fn to change my ISO. ISO is now on Auto 3200.

Copper, when you hit the Fn button, the ISO reading in the OVF should get highlighted. Then you can press left and right on the directional pad to change the ISO.

[icaro2007]

Minimum shutter speed in Auto Iso should be user selectable and not fixed by the camera FW at unreasonable low values.

[Luke_Y]

Minimum shutter speed in Auto Iso should be user selectable and not fixed by the camera FW at unreasonable low values.

Yup. And while they are fixing that maybe they can give us AUTO (6400) ?

[furcafe]

As I've written in some other threads, my main gripe is that when you use the AE-L/AF-L button as a focus lock button, it doesn't also function as a focus button, i.e., you have to 1/2-press the shutter release button to focus & then engage the AE-L/AF-L button to lock that focus rather than simply pressing the AE-L/AF-L button to both focus & lock the focus. This is contrary to the way an AF-L button works on dSLRs (& every other camera that I've encountered). For reasons unknown, the X-Pro1's AE-L/AF-L button becomes a "normal" AF + AF-L button when you put the camera in "Power Save" mode or switch it to Manual focus, so I'm going to call this a bug.

Edit: It appears upon further testing that I was wrong: the "Power Save" mode doesn't make the AE-L/AF-L button behave normally.

[Luke_Y]

Umm, I dont get that behavior in power save, only in manual focus. Would be glad if I did though.

[wild05kid05]

this isn't a bug but I'd love Fuji to include in future firmware: ability to name the custom profiles ..

[tbarker13]

As I've written in some other threads, my main gripe is that when you use the AE-L/AF-L button as a focus lock button, it doesn't also function as a focus button, i.e., you have to 1/2-press the shutter release button to focus & then engage the AE-L/AF-L button to lock that focus rather than simply pressing the AE-L/AF-L button to both focus & lock the focus. This is contrary to the way an AF-L button works on dSLRs (& every other camera that I've encountered). For reasons unknown, the X-Pro1's AE-L/AF-L button becomes a "normal" AF + AF-L button when you put the camera in "Power Save" mode or switch it to Manual focus, so I'm going to call this a bug.

This is probably the one thing I wish they would fix. On my D700, I use one of the back buttons to control the focus. That frees the shutter button to simply fire the shutter. I love working that way.

[furcafe]

You're right, I stand corrected. Thought it was working correctly in S or C mode, but certainly doesn't now.

Umm, I dont get that behavior in power save, only in manual focus. Would be glad if I did though.

[furcafe]

Exactly, maybe it's just a Fuji thing because I understand the X100 does the same.

This is probably the one thing I wish they would fix. On my D700, I use one of the back buttons to control the focus. That frees the shutter button to simply fire the shutter. I love working that way.

[Dante_Stella]

Here are a couple more I noted. Ok, how about 13?

1. Grid lines do not diminish in size when you drop the VF mag to 0.3x. This is going to be a problem when the really wide lenses come out, since there is no electronic level on the pitch axis.

2. Auto WB can't handle sodium light and some fluorescent lights.

3. Continuous mode doesn't always buffer well with Ultra II cards. Still much better than the X100.

4. In consecutive shots at the same distance (usually around 2m), the camera sometimes does a complete refocus on one of the shots. Randomly.

5. Camera should decide faster that AF is going to fail. The X100 seems to know almost instantly.

6. Flash EV comp zero point is about 2/3 of a stop low.

7. No arbitrary slowest shutter speed for auto ISO. Whoever designed this does not track his small children in low light...

8. Auto ISO precludes use of flash EV comp, just like on the X100.

9. Percentage battery indicator. Please!

10. Need a persistent, third dotted-line focusing bracket in OVF mode - with a denoted distance (just as you see one for the closest focusing distance, this one would between it and the "infinity" bracket)

11. And the same way there is a "correct AF" bracket always visible, it wouldn't be a bad idea to add a dotted box that shows the size of the field at 1m. No surprises.

12. Should have a "focus near, focus far" focus limiting function.

13. And since it wouldn't require a redesign or any major work, how about a chrome-plated flash shoe and insert?. Black shoes look like hell after a short amount of time.

[jsrockit]

Is that all Dante? ;)

[Dante_Stella]

Sorry - how about these two from today:

1. With the EF-42, if the flash is charging up, the camera won't let you take a picture at all. Tip: if you are using the camera intermittently, do not switch the camera off.

2. If you use the AE/AF lock to focus in M mode, the framelines don't adjust for the distance.

Dante

Is that all Dante? ;)

[kuzano]

Having found your site years ago, you ARE THE REASON I have been lugging around an array of Big Texas Rangefinders. I still do, and probably will to the end.

Now that I have seen your thoughts on this new Fuji Pro, while I was not interested before, I will be even less interested.

While I am still also shooting a pretty worn out S5 Pro (280,000+ shutter actuations), I have placed myself in the Olympus 4/3 for some time for digital. Fuji has mightily distressed me by not pursuing an S6 pro or beyond.

So, as a consideration for all the miles I've trucked around with those big 4 pound Fuji's I might ask a favor of you.

Would you be so kind as to run the new Olympus EM5 through the same wringer you ran this Fuji through.

That's my next move, as long as it does not have a list such as you have determined for this Fuji.

Except for my S5, Fujifilm has left me rather unimpressed for the last couple of years, with their Pre Release Hyping and their pricing.

Sorry if I'm not conforming to the restrictions imposed by the OP, but, Oh Well,,,,

And in closing, let me say I have always found your site worthy and your information on target. Therefore, while others may think you a bit harsh on the Fuji X1 Pro, I suspect you are as on target as I have always found you.

[Dante_Stella]

Hey Kuzano -

Blaming me, eh? :)

I don't have access to an EM5 right now, but I'm sure that given my past experiences with Micro 4/3 cameras/programming, it could get just as harsh a list (a lot of mirrorless cameras seem to have the same types of issues). I think that in the past couple of years, manufacturers have subverted reviewers and have deliberately planted "reviews" (definitely true of Fuji). I have also watched a culture of complacency and apologism enable Leica's technological stagnation. So it's gloves off from here on out. I think it's better to see a list and judge for yourself than to have people gloss over real-life glitches.

I would probably also point out that I have a basic distaste for formats that are not basically 2:3, so I am probably not the right person to ask!

Best,
Dante

[ColSebastianMoran]

Dante, thanks for the excellent, really excellent, X-Pro 1 review you published at

http://www.dantestella.com/technical/xpro1.html

[jsrockit]

I think that in the past couple of years, manufacturers have subverted reviewers and have deliberately planted "reviews" (definitely true of Fuji). I have also watched a culture of complacency and apologism enable Leica's technological stagnation. So it's gloves off from here on out.

Oh Dante, please let us know some dirt. I honestly didn't know they planted reviews out there. I'd love to read one.

I think it's better to see a list and judge for yourself than to have people gloss over real-life glitches.


True... or just try the camera for yourself... sometimes what bothers some people might not bother another.

[lam]

Dante, thanks for the excellent, really excellent, X-Pro 1 review you published at

http://www.dantestella.com/technical/xpro1.html

Seconded. Great read!

and I too would love to see a 'seeded' review....

[Jamie Pillers]

I like to use adapted manual focus lenses on the XP1. The camera has a menu feature that allows you to adjust the OVF framelines to match whatever lens is mounted. For awhile now I've noticed that the framelines always seem substantially smaller than the area captured in the final image. Today I had a 28mm lens mounted, so I tried resetting the framelines to "21mm" and SHAZAM!! ... the framelines are accurate! I wonder if this is a software glitch?

[GaryLH]

I think they are try to be conservative to make sure that everything is in the shot.. Given possible parallex errors. 21 being the frame line to use is a bit more conservative than I expected though.

Gary

[gdi]

I can live with most of the "bugs" listed.

But it looks like no one mentioned the one that bothers me most, the unfixable problem of no diopter adjustment for the OVF. This gaurantees that either the OVF or the EVF will be out of focus, even with a corrective eyepiece.

[Arjay]

I can live with most of the "bugs" listed.

But it looks like no one mentioned the one that bothers me most, the unfixable problem of no diopter adjustment for the OVF. This guarantees that either the OVF or the EVF will be out of focus, even with a corrective eyepiece.
In practice (I have used the XPro1 for 3 months), the problem is much less serious as initially feared.

Since the hybrid finder in OVF mode is both a Galilean system (that requires the eye to focus on varying distances) and a "head-up-display" type of system which presents the data overlay at a constant focusing distance, the issue cannot ever be resolved perfectly.

The HUD portion of the VF's data are displayed at a virtual distance of 5 to 7 feet, whereas the Galilean part of the VF contents are at the usual distances. You will most probably select diopter strength to display the HUD portion well - this will also allow you to see the contents of the VF in EVF mode in perfect focus.

It is at this focusing distance that you will want to read numbers, to see brightframe borders and to perceive compositional grid lines and the electronic level.

I am wearing progressive glasses with astigmatism correction, and I am thus forced to wear my glasses during shooting - but given a correct diopter lens optimized for HUD viewing, I have no problem whatsoever using the camera's hybrid viewfinder.

As long as my eyes are generally able to still accommodate to varying focal distances, all is well. The only condition under which a hybrid viewfinder could be a problem would be people who have undergone cataract surgery, and who had hard lenses implanted in their eyes - they might have a problem with the camera's VF system.

[ballfresno]

The only condition under which a hybrid viewfinder could be a problem would be people who have undergone cataract surgery, and who had hard lenses implanted in their eyes - they might have a problem with the camera's VF system.

Thanks for this. I fall into this category and have just recently started seriously considering getting an X-Pro1. I need to check this out. How annoying if this turns out to be a deal breaker for me...