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Here it is:
http://www.ricoh.com/r_dc/gxr/unit6.html
Looks a lot larger than I expected.
More:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02/02/Ricoh_GXR_A16
Looks great. I expected it would be a bit bigger. The APS-C size sensor puts a practical limit on how small zoom lenses can be, even with the designers having the freedom of no set flange-sensor distance. Think about the Sony R-1, brighter by a half-stop at the wide end, it was a pretty big lens. This looks about the same to me as the Sony Nex 18-50.
The Sony 16mp sensor makes the slower speed of the lens a little easier to take.
Not sure if I'll get this, but I'm happy to see the system expand. I'm really looking forward to the A16 M mount module, and the Luigi case for the GXR with M mount.
I had the nex 5n for a while and there's a LOT to like about it. But there were a few things about the GXR that brought me back to it. Like a grip, built-in intervalometer, built-in flash, hot shoe...
And nice to see that the ugly design syndrome hasn't spread from Pentax to Daddy Ricoh.
andrewteee
02-02-2012, 08:15
All of the other APS modules are $650.
Price wise http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20120202_509349.html says around 60,000JPY = 790USD (according to google). However the 50mm A12 was originally announced at 70,000JPY.. hm.. that darned JPYUSD currency rate.
Nothing official on price yet but according to this site they expect it to be between $500-$600.
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Ricoh_unleashes_killer_GXR_A16_camera_unit_to_boos t_sales_news_311298.html
I just wish there was a fast normal pancake lens the size of the 28. I had the 50 macro, liked the results but disliked the size for my uses (I hardly ever used the macro function). I sold it recently expecting to replace it with the new zoom but now I'm not sure. It looks quite a bit bigger than the 50 (55mm filter thread!) but at least it's flexible.
On a bit of a side note, when will we get a new body?
What is in the body that needs updating? I thought all the goodies were in the lens/sensor units?
built in high-resolution EVF. that would be all I'd ask for :)
built in high-resolution EVF. that would be all I'd ask for :)
What he said. The EVF is getting kind of outdated. For that matter, the lcd could probably get an upgrade at the same time.
Tiltable LCD and touch screen function a la the 5N would be my priority. Those two features are very helpful. The touch screen isn't for menus, but for focus magnification. It's really quite brilliant, just tap on the screen where you want to focus, it magnifies it so you can nail it, half-press the shutter button to go back to full-screen view.
focus and recompose does it for me. I did not get the hang of the touchscreen on the 5N and after a few weeks, disabled it.
Focus and recompose works fine enough. The touch screen is just a bit nicer. I adapted to it very quickly, though with gloves on I had to use the tip of my nose to chose the zoomed in point. Not as precise as a fingertip.
The North Face - eTip gloves :)
I am excited for this new module. I won't buy it but it looks interesting at least.
For a new body:
Phase detect AF or passive/active focusing.
Built in EVF
Update on the price tag:
Found it available for pre-order at digicame-online.jp at 53800JPY (suggesting somewhere around 700USD)... would still have wished they released a new body and/or firmware instead.
shadowfox
02-07-2012, 10:59
Next to Olympus, Ricoh is a company that I have high hopes for innovative cameras.
Is that 24-85mm equivalent to film frame or do I need to x 1.5 to get the effective focal length? I hope it's the former.
I join the chorus that asks when will the built-in EVF body be offered? after that, a full frame module.
Sorry for hijacking this thread but I just noticed that B&H Photo Video no longer lists the A12 M-mount module. Is that a hint that Ricoh is about to replace it with a 16MP unit?
-Randy
I have to imagine that they're working on a new body / full frame sensor -- almost everyone who has used the GXR and M module has made remarks about these two things.
It seems we all want an M9, without the high price tag.
I have to imagine that they're working on a new body / full frame sensor -- almost everyone who has used the GXR and M module has made remarks about these two things.
It seems we all want an M9, without the high price tag.
Here's hoping you're right, Kevin.
Again, sorry for hijacking this thread. Now back to your regularly scheduled program...
Here's hoping you're right, Kevin.
Again, sorry for hijacking this thread. Now back to your regularly scheduled program...
Hijack the thread all you want. Right now there's no forum for people using the GXR as anything other than an M mount.
I want to know if there will be any difference between this being a "Ricoh lens" as opposed to a "GR lens".
Sorry for hijacking this thread but I just noticed that B&H Photo Video no longer lists the A12 M-mount module. Is that a hint that Ricoh is about to replace it with a 16MP unit?
-Randy
It's still on Adorama's website but listed as back-ordered. B&H probably removed it because of availability in which case you may be right.
I want to know if there will be any difference between this being a "Ricoh lens" as opposed to a "GR lens".
There usually is a difference: Better quality glass, faster apertures. At least that's what I understand. There's only two "GR" modules for the GXR system so far, the A12 28mm f/2.5 and the A12 50mm f/2.5 Macro. Ricoh doesn't throw that GR lens label around lightly.
andrewteee
02-07-2012, 12:35
Next to Olympus, Ricoh is a company that I have high hopes for innovative cameras.
The OM-D looks interesting.
Is that 24-85mm equivalent to film frame?
Yes. And it does not have an AA filter.
I join the chorus that asks when will the built-in EVF body be offered? after that, a full frame module.
The FF unit is doubtful, but many of us would like an updated body with built-in EVF (though appreciate the swiveling ability of the current one). I don't want to have to think about it and I want it to switch on the fly like many other built-in EVFs.
BTW Here's the Mount unit on B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/816332-REG/Ricoh_170613_GXR_Mount_A12_For.html).
Yes. And it does not have an AA filter.
This, I didn't realize. Maybe I should look into this new module. Hrm.....
Popflash has the zoom unit listed at $599. They are not sure when they will get them in, though Alex told me that Ricoh is usually stocked about a month afterwards. Where does it say there is no AA filter?
The FF unit is doubtful,
I would've thought Ricoh would make it a priority. I'm sure leica M lens users would buy the GXR as a primary camera or back-up to an M9. They wouldn't be able to produce them fast enough. Surely, large sensors are becoming more available soon? I'm interested to hear why you feel FF is unlikely.
Pete
Where does it say there is no AA filter?
The guy running Ricohforum.com posted that a contact person at Ricoh confirmed that, and on some Japanese blog it was said so, too.
I doubt anyone will ever produce 135 format digital anymore, except Nikon, Canon and Leica for their top of the line bodies.
I would prefer an OVF to an EVF built into a new body. Maybe they could do both like that Fuji whatever it is camera.
M4streetshooter
02-09-2012, 08:58
Well, I'm a sucker for anything for my GXR's except the M module.
While I am not a zoomie lover, this lens has me excited. For event work it will hit the spot perfectly.
I see using a wrist strap on the left side, holding the barrel left handed...Ala the Brian Mosley hold and working very well.
There the perfect Leica FOV and there's plenty of mp horse power.
I'll get it and it may even find its way to the street....
Don
M4streetshooter
02-09-2012, 09:13
btw Dallard, great idea starting another thread.
Maybe at some point we GXR users will get a forum listing not dependent on the M module.
Maybe at some point we GXR users will get a forum listing not dependent on the M module.
Amen.
As for the zoom, I'm torn. I love the other APS modules but I love the Ricoh for its small size and this really negates that.
Sorry for hijacking this thread but I just noticed that B&H Photo Video no longer lists the A12 M-mount module. Is that a hint that Ricoh is about to replace it with a 16MP unit?
Nope.
B&H: GXR Mount A12 For Leica M Mount Lens (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/816332-REG/Ricoh_170613_GXR_Mount_A12_For.html)
In stock.
Thanks Adanac for the B&H update. Oddly, when I first posted, it wasn't listed. Shortly thereafter it was back up as out of stock and now it's both there and in stock. If it had been that way a couple of months ago I would have gladly jumped on it. But now I'm confusedly debating about it versus the soon to be released Fuji and Oly offerings. Guess I'm hijacking this thread once again but I would appreciate reading anyone's thoughts about these options (with the knowledge that I already have a fair bit of Leica glass to use with whichever configuration seems best).
Thanks,
Randy
Found this video that gives a good idea of size
http://youtu.be/jdetosdFPO8
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