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shadowfox
11-22-2011, 08:31
I walked to the camera section at Fry's last week and I noticed the new Nikon V1. I've seen pictures of it but I'm not one who goes to camera stores to try out new stuff, so I picked it up and just realized how thick it is.
Next to it, an Olympus E-PM1.
The difference between those two in size, ergonomics, looks, and form factor is ridiculous, it's like a brick (the V1) next to a sculpture (the E-PM1). And the V1's sensor is smaller too plus it's more expensive.
All I can think at that moment was: "Nikon, are you kidding me?"
redisburning
11-22-2011, 08:34
but like, Ashton Kutcher totally digs it. havent you seen the commercials?
in all seriousness people don't know anything about sensor size nor do they care. I pulled some individually cut 6x6 unmounted slides out of a box and my mom asked me why I had gotten such small prints.
Moriturii
11-22-2011, 08:40
1) Your first point is merely a random opinion with no means to a discussion, it's like saying "I HATE PEPERONI PIZZA"... ok, thanks for letting us know. I think it's beautiful. If Nikon V1 is a brick, isn't a Leica Mx one as well?
2) sensor size does not matter what so ever except for DoF. If it produces image quality up to a certain level it could be the size of a pinhead for all that matters to you as a consumer, only thing you lose is DoF, big woop, in fact might be a very good thing Very long DoF with low-light indoors? Perfect, that is unique, but you didn't think of that did you?. And from what I've heard, it probably has the best sensor of cameras of it's league.
Phantomas
11-22-2011, 08:44
"Us"?! Heh, don't kid yourself, "you" don't show up on Nikon's target market segment.
-doomed-
11-22-2011, 08:50
I played around with one in the local camera joint, I'm not sold on it. It was interesting though, seems more versatile than my GRD's ever were. Images looked ok on the screen so it's not all bad.
f16sunshine
11-22-2011, 08:59
Will,
I think I get your point. Nikon could have and (with their history and loyal following) should have done better. The camera is ergonomically a brick and super ugly as well. I noted there is no grip on this camera in another thread where there was a photo of it posted. For me the jury is out on the sensor. I would not want one to use for Portraits. Maybe for snapshots and vacation pics it's ok. My problem with small sensors is perspective distortion. If Nikon has a way around that..... (and they don't ....10mm normal lens?? Hello big noses and hands.)
dave lackey
11-22-2011, 09:03
Will,
You are exactly right. Nikon had a golden opportunity to make a new SP or similar camera but instead, decided on an ugly lump with a new system.
Seems like all that sells these days are melted lumps of plastic and such. Where are the real designers these days?:confused:
Will,
I think I get your point. Nikon could have and (with their history and loyal following) should have done better. The camera is ergonomically a brick and super ugly as well. I noted there is no grip on this camera in another thread where there was a photo of it posted. For me the jury is out on the sensor. I would not want one to use for Portraits. Maybe for snapshots and vacation pics it's ok. My problem with small sensors is perspective distortion. If Nikon has a way around that..... (and they don't ....10mm normal lens?? Hello big noses and hands.)
Perspective is a function of distance-to-subject, and not lens focal length. Perspective is "compressed" when you're far away from your subject, and expanded when you're close-up.
Case in point... this was shot with a 50mm lens on a "full-frame sensor" (err... well, Ilford HP5 in 135 format):
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2694/4468530717_dfd63d95be_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/khoa_sus2/4468530717/)
Jeff and typewriter (http://www.flickr.com/photos/khoa_sus2/4468530717/) by khoa_sus2 (http://www.flickr.com/people/khoa_sus2/), on Flickr
Since his hands are really a couple of feet closer to the camera than his head is, the hands appear unnaturally large.
This was shot with a Coolpix at 15mm (something like 72mm FF equiv):
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4033/4317281379_874f276029_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/khoa_sus2/4317281379/)
Anya, behind the glass curtain (http://www.flickr.com/photos/khoa_sus2/4317281379/) by khoa_sus2 (http://www.flickr.com/people/khoa_sus2/), on Flickr
No perspective distortion, because of my shooting distance, and her pose.
As for the Nikon 1 series... I find it interesting, but having bought into the Micro 4/3 system, I'm happy where I am, and don't really feel compelled to go Nikon's route. The camera aesthetics don't do much for me either.
Phantomas
11-22-2011, 09:33
Will,
Nikon had a golden opportunity
You see, this is where people use wrong logic to begin with. Nikon had no "golden opportunity" because they already control 40% market share in the enthusiast + pro segment. Thus anything fancy and powerful would eat into their own share. Now why would they do that? Entry level segment is very strong and established, a full featured mirrorless would just start canibalising it.
The golden oportunity is for underdogs, you should chance them for your dream camera. Sony and Fuji are doing it, good for them. Pani put out a decent product with a healthy roadmap. Now Oly and Pentax are indeed the ones that are kidding. They should be the ones taking risks coz they don't have much to loose, Nikon does. And on case people are still dreaming - no, Nikon doesn't care about RFF market. "Nikon SP", heh, which century do you live in.
BTW 10mm = 27mm, not a "normal" lens in my book.
celluloidprop
11-22-2011, 09:36
I'm glad someone said it - I was going to say that there's no upside for Nikon to eat away at their D7000/D700 (and whatever is under the D7000) market share with an affordable, killer EVIL.
If Olympus/Sony/et al. start to damage Nikon's market share, then they might come out with an enthusiast mirrorless and accompanying lenses. That doesn't appear to be happening right now.
f16sunshine
11-22-2011, 09:47
BTW 10mm = 27mm, not a "normal" lens in my book.
Not in my book either. My mistake I understood the crop factor differently but, will take your word on it.
Perspective is a function of distance-to-subject, and not lens focal length. Perspective is "compressed" when you're far away from your subject, and expanded when you're close-up.
Yes, of course I am well aware of how it works. As well I'm well aware that many people will still be chasing "bokeh" with this small sensor. This mean more folks coming closer and closer to their subjects to narrow the DOF. This is my point.
Phantomas
11-22-2011, 10:10
But anyway, I wouldn't buy a Nikon 1 either, for a number of reasons not limited to small sensor. Yet, I don't find it necessary to complain how Nikon has failed MY needs with Nikon 1, just because I know it wasn't made for ME. The sooner the others realise it the sooner we can move on to more useful subjects, like how great photography is and how little relevance cameras have to good soulful photo taking.
The most refreshing experiences I've had was talking to Magnum, VII, NOOR, etc photographers (you know, the real deal, not some sunday shooters) is how badly a lot of them know cameras. I even had to correct settings on a couple of their cameras (one World Press Photo winning photog, no names shall be named, gave me a big hug and told me I "changed his life" after I tweaked focus from continuous to single AF on his D700 :) ). People like this make me happy because it's a reminder that great photos are not about cameras, sensor sizes or grips, it's a bout your vision and determination and talent that no camera can hinder.
Oh well, i'm gonna go and have a beer and develop some film. Why waste time on topics like which camera manufacturer is "kidding me". Oops, I already did... the joke is on me :)
shadowfox
11-22-2011, 10:21
But anyway, I wouldn't buy a Nikon 1 either, for a number of reasons not limited to small sensor. Yet, I don't find it necessary to complain how Nikon has failed MY needs with Nikon 1, just because I know it wasn't made for ME. The sooner the others realise it the sooner we can move on to more useful subjects, like how great photography is and how little relevance cameras have to good soulful photo taking.
The most refreshing experiences I've had was talking to Magnum, VII, NOOR, etc photographers (you know, the real deal, not some sunday shooters) is how badly a lot of them know cameras. I even had to correct settings on a couple of their cameras (one World Press Photo winning photog, no names shall be named, gave me a big hug and told me I "changed his life" after I tweaked focus from continuous to single AF on his D700 :) ). People like this make me happy because it's a reminder that great photos are not about cameras, sensor sizes or grips, it's a bout your vision and determination and talent that no camera can hinder.
Oh well, i'm gonna go and have a beer and develop some film. Why waste time on topics like which camera manufacturer is "kidding me". Oops, I already did... the joke is on me :)
Dude,
You need to lighten up. I've read your posts recently and they are all seem to be so... tense and 'chip-on-your-shoulder'-y.
This post got started with nothing but my personal opinion about a camera. Your views are diametrically opposite of mine, and we both are no less nor better because of it.
Enjoy your beer... and start another discussion about good soulful photo taking, please :)
Suddenly, sensor size does not matter when it's a Nikon...
andrewteee
11-22-2011, 10:29
I tried the V1 over a weekend. It actually feels good in the hand and the material is a sort of rubbery plastic so the grip is solid. The EVF is very good, and the "auto" settings worked out really well if I dialed back the exposure by a stop or two ( find that's the case with most cameras I've used).
In the end, it was not for me, but for a lot of people it could be just the ticket. However, I think that for that audience it is too expensive.
shadowfox
11-22-2011, 10:30
1) Your first point is merely a random opinion with no means to a discussion, it's like saying "I HATE PEPERONI PIZZA"... ok, thanks for letting us know. I think it's beautiful. If Nikon V1 is a brick, isn't a Leica Mx one as well?
2) sensor size does not matter what so ever except for DoF. If it produces image quality up to a certain level it could be the size of a pinhead for all that matters to you as a consumer, only thing you lose is DoF, big woop, in fact might be a very good thing Very long DoF with low-light indoors? Perfect, that is unique, but you didn't think of that did you?. And from what I've heard, it probably has the best sensor of cameras of it's league.
1) I said Nikon V1 looks like a brick next to the elegant E-PM1. It may look like a smaller brick next to my M4-P. So what? that does not change the fact that I am very disappointed with what Nikon came up with. If you like it and you feel offended by my opinion, I'm sorry.
2) Tell that to those people who said m4/3rd cameras are not for "serious photographers." because of its waaaaay smaller sensor compared to Fuji X100.
jordanstarr
11-22-2011, 10:31
but like, Ashton Kutcher totally digs it. havent you seen the commercials?
in all seriousness people don't know anything about sensor size nor do they care. I pulled some individually cut 6x6 unmounted slides out of a box and my mom asked me why I had gotten such small prints.
Haha! That made my day.
Nikon is not kidding anybody. They just introduced a camera they figured will well and make bunch of money - and as far as I have heard it seems to be working. Nikon also seems to be aware of the fact that many people (mostly those who do not care about the sensor size) are willing to pay MORE for Nikon than Pentax, Olympus or Sony.
So - you may just pardon Nikon for making a camera that was not designed for enthusiastic photo-forum goers this time, but rather for much larger group of their customer base.
I also agree that Nikon did not want to jeopardize their DSLR sales. They may change the strategy in the future if the mirror-less cameras will continue gaining interest, but for now they are playing safe.
I would not be surprised if Canon would go similar route. Why? The enthusiastic photo-forum goers are mostly already serverd by Sony, Olympus, Panasonic, Samsung and Ricoh (with Leica and Fuji on the horizon). At least for now.
Phantomas
11-22-2011, 10:52
Dude,
You need to lighten up. I've read your posts recently and they are all seem to be so... tense and 'chip-on-your-shoulder'-y.
This post got started with nothing but my personal opinion about a camera. Your views are diametrically opposite of mine, and we both are no less nor better because of it.
Enjoy your beer... and start another discussion about good soulful photo taking, please :)
Hey, nothing personal. I didn't mean it as a direct comment about your particular thread but the general wave we get here sometimes when a camera that is not targeted at RFF demographic gets launched. Can you imagine these forums if everyone starts complaining how Coolpix doesn't suit their needs?
As far as being tense, hmmm, I mostly read travel forum and the photography book threads, and I enjoy those. You probably read the comment about how I don't care about the death of film :)
Back to beer and scanning (I hate developing, so I'm postponing it one more day :) ).
jsrockit
11-22-2011, 11:02
Nikon is not kidding anybody. They just introduced a camera they figured will well and make bunch of money - and as far as I have heard it seems to be working. Nikon also seems to be aware of the fact that many people (mostly those who do not care about the sensor size) are willing to pay MORE for Nikon than Pentax, Olympus or Sony.
So - you may just pardon Nikon for making a camera that was not designed for enthusiastic photo-forum goers this time, but rather for much larger group of their customer base.
Exactly... I heard they were doing well with these cameras too.
I thought this sort of thread would have gone away by now.
If you are, for some reason, disappointed in the Nikon 1, it is due to your expectations, not Nikon's "mistakes".
The camera seems to perform quite well and looks like it will make many "soccer moms" very happy. That's obviously what Nikon wanted to do. They never had any intention of creating a digital SP so get over it.
I won't buy one but I love the design, think cameras can be too small (regardless of sensor size), and know that a Nikon 1 would solve a lot of my wife's photo problems.
dave lackey
11-22-2011, 11:28
Dude,
You need to lighten up. I've read your posts recently and they are all seem to be so... tense and 'chip-on-your-shoulder'-y.
This post got started with nothing but my personal opinion about a camera. Your views are diametrically opposite of mine, and we both are no less nor better because of it.
Enjoy your beer... and start another discussion about good soulful photo taking, please :)
Yeah, I will even buy you a beer.:rolleyes: I am sure everyone on the Nikon RF forum would as well.
Gabriel M.A.
11-22-2011, 11:41
Nikon probably did an online research study and found, by reading all the Leica-bashing, and extrapolating from it, that their market really has a profound disdain for design and a love for bricks :D
::ducks::
Suddenly, sensor size does not matter when it's a Nikon...
Haha.. so true. I remember so many people on the forum saying that the m4/3 was just 'too small' for serious photography. Now nikon makes a tiny sensor camera that is larger than any m4/3 body, and people have completely changed their tone.
I agree that:
a) the camera looks like a bar of soap
b) the sensor is too small for the comparative size of the camera and lenses
c) the lenses are the most boring lenses I've seen for a system
d) the lack of manual control is pretty terrible
e) the auto-everything wonder modes aren't revolutionary - they work no better than any other automatic camera (from a reliable source of mine)
However, I have to say that it looks like the sensor being used in that camera, despite being quite small, is very good. All the comparisons I've seen indicate it's at least as good as the current m4/3 sensors in noise/dynamic range/color. But that's probably a reflection of how far behind the m4/3 sensors are (especially the 12mp one - not so much the 16mp one which IS better)
Ken Ford
11-22-2011, 17:33
I walked to the camera section at Fry's last week and I noticed the new Nikon V1. I've seen pictures of it but I'm not one who goes to camera stores to try out new stuff, so I picked it up and just realized how thick it is.
Next to it, an Olympus E-PM1.
The difference between those two in size, ergonomics, looks, and form factor is ridiculous, it's like a brick (the V1) next to a sculpture (the E-PM1). And the V1's sensor is smaller too plus it's more expensive.
All I can think at that moment was: "Nikon, are you kidding me?"
See, I feel just the opposite - I've never found a m4/3 camera body that I could live with, they're all ergonomic nightmares in my hands. And I'm willing to consider the fact that sensor size isn't the be-all end-all of compact digital at this stage in the medium's evolution. For this kind of camera, I'm willing to give the new technology a try.
Horses for courses.
jonmanjiro
11-22-2011, 17:57
From what I've heard, the new Nikon is selling well in Japan. The buyers probably don't hang out at RFF though ;)
As for the little sensor not being able to do "bokeh", well that's all done in PP by the software now. The days of the sensor (film or CCD etc.) just recording what the lens projects onto it are long gone. Get with the program folks :D
Well I honestly think Nikon got the target segment right, but not the design. I think the mounting is way too large for it and the camera itself is also comparably larger than other cameras with larger sensors ie the olympus and Sony. Sure the built in viewfinder is nice, but I still think they could have pulled off with a smaller camera system with that size of a sensor.
Gabriel M.A.
11-22-2011, 20:16
From what I've heard, the new Nikon is selling well in Japan. The buyers probably don't hang out at RFF though ;)
Probably busy taking pictures.
Ken Ford
11-23-2011, 04:57
Well I honestly think Nikon got the target segment right, but not the design. I think the mounting is way too large for it and the camera itself is also comparably larger than other cameras with larger sensors ie the olympus and Sony. Sure the built in viewfinder is nice, but I still think they could have pulled off with a smaller camera system with that size of a sensor.
I don't understand the constant push for smaller, smaller, smaller in cameras. I just returned an X10 because it's too stinkin' small for my hands - a fantastic camera otherwise, it just didn't work for me in the ergonomic department due to size. The N1 V1 meanwhile fits me perfectly.
The current smaller is better craze reminds me of this:
http://www.gearwire.com/media/noisy-cricket.jpg
BillBingham2
11-23-2011, 05:11
.....well that's all done in PP by the software now. :D
So what you are saying is .......
There's an App for that!
FWIW I'm happy with my GRD III. While I wish I could afford a D40x/60, or dreaming about a GRD IV-T, I'm doing OK.
B2
ray*j*gun
11-23-2011, 05:21
You see, this is where people use wrong logic to begin with. Nikon had no "golden opportunity" because they already control 40% market share in the enthusiast + pro segment. Thus anything fancy and powerful would eat into their own share. Now why would they do that? Entry level segment is very strong and established, a full featured mirrorless would just start canibalising it.
The golden oportunity is for underdogs, you should chance them for your dream camera. Sony and Fuji are doing it, good for them. Pani put out a decent product with a healthy roadmap. Now Oly and Pentax are indeed the ones that are kidding. They should be the ones taking risks coz they don't have much to loose, Nikon does. And on case people are still dreaming - no, Nikon doesn't care about RFF market. "Nikon SP", heh, which century do you live in.
BTW 10mm = 27mm, not a "normal" lens in my book.
Well said!
shadowfox
11-23-2011, 07:37
I thought this sort of thread would have gone away by now.
If you are, for some reason, disappointed in the Nikon 1, it is due to your expectations, not Nikon's "mistakes".
The camera seems to perform quite well and looks like it will make many "soccer moms" very happy. That's obviously what Nikon wanted to do. They never had any intention of creating a digital SP so get over it.
I won't buy one but I love the design, think cameras can be too small (regardless of sensor size), and know that a Nikon 1 would solve a lot of my wife's photo problems.
In your honor, the next time I start this sort of thread (TM), I will put "Personal Opinion, please don't read if you can't stand the idea" on the title...
I won't buy it and you won't either, but you just have to disagree with me on why :p
shadowfox
11-23-2011, 07:39
Hey, nothing personal. I didn't mean it as a direct comment about your particular thread but the general wave we get here sometimes when a camera that is not targeted at RFF demographic gets launched. Can you imagine these forums if everyone starts complaining how Coolpix doesn't suit their needs?
As far as being tense, hmmm, I mostly read travel forum and the photography book threads, and I enjoy those. You probably read the comment about how I don't care about the death of film :)
Back to beer and scanning (I hate developing, so I'm postponing it one more day :) ).
Peace, brother.
Beer is good for scanning, a book and chips would make it awesome :)
While I agree that you dont have to always go smaller, then lets Put it this way.. They shouldve had a larger sensor stuffed in there..
urban_alchemist
12-01-2011, 10:49
I took a look at it at a camera store in Zurich. Once I put them down, a guy came up and held it in his hand.
The sales assistant - a really nice, knoweldgeable kid, took him through the camera. Then he brought down the µ4/3 duo and a Sony NEX. He walked the guy through every single benefit of the rival systems; he even got a gasp when he took off the lenses and showed the relative sensor sizes.
But...
They guy still bought the Nikon.
I guess that name, for some, is worth more than we will ever understand...
Nikon Bob
12-01-2011, 13:46
I don't know what Nikon was thinking but I do know that the EVF is kinda good and it seems to focus fast from a very brief play at the camera store today. It did not feel foreign in the hand and what ever it is covered with is nice and grippy. It just might make a good small camera system to play opposite a DSLR.
Bob
My niece asked me about "the new small nikon you can change the lens on"
So I reply "What interests you in that camera?"
"It comes in white so it matches my iPhone and iPad"
I suspect Nikon knows there is a ton of that sentiment out there.
Ken Ford
12-02-2011, 05:44
While the naysayers are grinding away, I'm happily enjoying my new V1 and three lenses...
Such negativity. You'd think Nikon was caught in flagrante delicto with sheep or something.
Well, if you want a small camera with a silent electronic shutter and superfast autofocus.. what is there to choose from really?
Nikon has actually made something really different from the others. The perfect digital street-camera.
I´ve been evaluating all the different mirrorless cameras for about 6 months..
And then it hit me, what was the most important features in a camera for me?
SSFA - Small Silent Fast Autofocus.
Is there any camera that can compete on these things with Nikon 1?
As for the sensor. It seems most people that bitch about how crappy the Nikon 1 cameras are have not tried and compared the raw-files with m43. The raw-files from the Nikon 1 cameras is on par, and often better (lower noise, better dr, better/softer highlight-to-blown rendition asf) then the m43 sensor -rawfiles.
Yesterday evening, I ordered the J1+ 10-30 and 10mm pancake. It will revolutionize my street photography.
ColSebastianMoran
01-18-2012, 11:51
Held and shot one in the store. Looking at it on the counter, I was un-impressed. Shooting off a couple of frames, I was impressed. No perceptable shutter lag, quiet. Multiple exposures, it picks the best one.
I was impressed.
This may be the end of "mine is bigger than yours."
... after having played with it in store. I love the speed. I love how silent it is. I DON'T love the sensor size (as mentioned several times).... the quality of the file (I'm speaking of high ISO) was absolutely fine. I just, on occasion, like shallow depth of field - like u4/3's 20mm f1.7.
All I can say is that anyone who can actually lay hands on these cameras is lucky. I'd have to fill up the car with expensive gas and drive who knows how far to try out cameras at a store. Sure the big box retailers around here carry a few of the low end DSLR's but NONE of the interesting stuff. I'd have to drive 70 miles to see ANY m4:3 cameras with a VF-2 or VF-3.
shadowfox
01-19-2012, 13:13
As for the sensor. It seems most people that bitch about how crappy the Nikon 1 cameras are have not tried and compared the raw-files with m43. The raw-files from the Nikon 1 cameras is on par, and often better (lower noise, better dr, better/softer highlight-to-blown rendition asf) then the m43 sensor -rawfiles.
Yesterday evening, I ordered the J1+ 10-30 and 10mm pancake. It will revolutionize my street photography.
Looking forward to seeing your revolutionized street photography.
:D
Speedfreak
01-19-2012, 13:39
Multiple exposures, it picks the best one.
No thanks.
This may be the end of "mine is bigger than yours."
Yes, I do prefer smaller cameras, as long as they are big enough to handhold comofortably. What the Nikon 1 has eliminated is the use of depth of field and that rules it out for me.
Of course, the average buyer looks for brand names and color (pink!) rather than "depth of field".
Strawberry
02-16-2012, 05:05
I finally had the opportunity to play with this camera. It is a very fun camera to take pictures with. The sensor might be small but the pictures looked ok. It is very very fast.
I prefer the handling over the NEX 3 camera that I own, I can work a lot faster with the Nikon. Feels better build to. I don't really care for camera looks, it just looks "normal" to me, like a machine that takes pictures ...
A FF like camera like this would be awesome.
shadowfox
02-17-2012, 07:41
Ok, there's someone here who claims that the lenses for the Nikon 1 is better than that for m4/3rd. So here's a relevant finding:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Micro-Four-Third-Lens-Reviews/Olympus-M.-Zuiko-Digital-ED-12mm-f-2.0
Notice that they compare the Olympus 12/2 with a Canon L glass, and a Nikon 1 lens of comparable spec. The Olympus bests the Nikon by more than doubling the score.
I walked to the camera section at Fry's last week and I noticed the new Nikon V1. ...Next to it, an Olympus E-PM1. ...Both "Made in China" - in either case no option for me.
China makes cameras just fine I think.
I'm curious about the V1. I do think there's a practical limit to how small a camera can be. My GXR is about as small as I'd like to go. The Nex 5N was too small, even though it's a very capable camera. Right now my GXR with A12 M is my only digital camera, and I do think I should have an AF camera in my stable. Ricoh's AF modules are nice optically (and the 50mm is a great macro lens) but the AF is SLOW. So I think all the attention to making CEVIL cameras faster focusers is a good thing. The 1 series seems to be a marketing disaster here in the states, or at least among the DSLR and RF crowds, but that doesn't mean it's a bad camera. There are some pretty neat things about it. I'd love to try the AF in a restaurant, for example.
MaxElmar
03-05-2012, 07:04
I think the only thing Nikon got seriously wrong in the marketing was the pricing. (And the colors.) But the market is already taking care of that. You can get a grey market V1 body for $550 if you look around. J1 for $399. Still too much, but moving in the right direction. They should hang in there.
I'll be trying one out, soon enough. I'm not looking for a "DSLR replacement" or the ultimate lowlight camera - just a small, fast, high quality portable to augment my big kit.
I haven't still figured out what to think of the J1/V1. And of the P7100 for that matter.
The J1 has a built in speedlight, but no EVF, yet has the sleekest overall body shape.
The V1 has an EVF but needs an external one speedlight. Unfortunately it can't take the SB600/700/800/900/SU800, only a small SB5n. I've seen no indication that the SB5n can do
remote/commander mode CLS. The blob on top fromt the EVF makes it clumsy to pocket.
The P7100 has a speedlight built in, can mount the SB600/700/800/900 and SU800 has CLS, but the OVF is only so-so.
Nikon should put the three in a bag, rattle it around for a bit and come out with the best of the three.. Then they'd have a winner.
The only reason they've not done that, as far as I can see is fear of canibalizing their own line-up. Which is weird, cause if there's anyone eating into your sales it should be yourself, not another manufacturer..
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