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Gabriel M.A.
08-31-2011, 23:08
Apparently it's official:
(Edit: found Fuji's own info: http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n110901_01.html )
http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/article/2011/08/product1-5212827.jpg
http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/article/2011/08/product3-5212835.jpg
The camera lets you select between manual focus and autofocus via a front-mounted dial. The X10's lens has maximum aperture settings of F2.0 wide-angle to F2.8 telephoto, and is faster at the telephoto end than we've seen in any competing camera other than the Olympus XZ-1 (F1.8 to F2.5).
Besides a back-mounted 2.8-inch-diagonal LCD viewfinder, the X10 also offers an eye-level optical viewfinder. Unlike the unique electronic/optical "hybrid viewfinder" found in the Fujifilm X100, the viewfinder in the X10 is a purely optical version with diopter adjustments. The camera also has an electronic level, which you use via the LCD screen.
The Fujifilm X10's 12-megapixel EXR CMOS sensor (2/3-inch type) is larger than those found in many other performance-minded point-and-shoots.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/239268/fujifilm_x10_takes_a_shot_at_the_premium_pointands hoot_crown.html
http://digital-cameras-planet.com/blog/2011/09/01/details-and-photos-leak-for-the-next-prosumer-digital-camera-from-fujifilm/
FrozenInTime
08-31-2011, 23:24
Looks like they blew manual focus again: The pdf says the sub command dial on the back needs to be used. :bang:
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x10/
Looks nice - there are far more details available at DPReview though ...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1109/11090102fujifilmx10.asp
and also The Fuji Guys" have a 16 minute video review on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj25re-1UpM
Looks good for a pns... manual focus implementation doesn't really matter though due to the small sensor.
The optical VF is the highlight for sure.
FrozenInTime
08-31-2011, 23:38
Looks good for a pns... manual focus implementation doesn't really matter though due to the small sensor.
The optical VF is the highlight for sure.
I wonder if you can save the focus distance to one of the custom settings like the snap distance on the Ricoh GRDIII.
Agree about the OVF.
If Fuji can figure out their performance and UI issues, this might be a good contender to the Olympus XZ-1.
I think they're using a non-functioning mockup in the "Fuji Guys" video, so there's no info on how long it takes to power on, etc.
tom.w.bn
08-31-2011, 23:56
If Fuji can figure out their performance and UI issues, this might be a good contender to the Olympus XZ-1.
I think they're using a non-functioning mockup in the "Fuji Guys" video, so there's no info on how long it takes to power on, etc.
If it's a contender to the Olympus then I'm not interested. If it's a contender to the Canon G12 (in my opinion much better than the olympus) then I'm interested and it could replace my G10.
That's all well and good ... but where's the video of it being unpacked, do they not know what the public want!
Jamie123
09-01-2011, 01:27
Looks good. Any infos as far as the price is concerned?
harryhaller
09-01-2011, 01:55
Looks good. Any infos as far as the price is concerned?
The rumor sites before the official announcement mentioned 599.-$, which usually means 599.-€ in Europe.
See here (http://photorumors.com/2011/08/25/fujifilm-finepix-x50-camera-is-indeed-listed-in-the-promaster-catalog/#more-12213)
HH
It's good to see that Fuji and a couple of other manufacturers are paying attention to what the market desires. :)
Mind you the release of an X10 starts this whole hype cycle that almost fried our brains when the X100 hit the headlines ... I'm not sure that I can take that again! :p
Bobfrance
09-01-2011, 03:01
That's all well and good ... but where's the video of it being unpacked, do they not know what the public want!
:D:D:D:D:D
x100 hype all over again....
http://fujifilm-x.com/x10/en/
jsrockit
09-01-2011, 04:29
Looks good for a pns... manual focus implementation doesn't really matter though due to the small sensor.
The optical VF is the highlight for sure.
It's a bigger sensor than most P&S cameras...
I've gotta admit that this absolutely craps all over the lx5/s95/xz1 group - especially if the optical VF is good to look through. Another really cool idea is the manual zoom on the lens, and the 'made in japan' pride thing fujifilm has going on!
I might be interested in this depending on how it shoots...
It seems a lot more versatile than the X100 ... the zoom lens is an excellent feature in this type of camera IMO and f2 to f2.8 is pretty darned good if the high ISO performance is up there!
Great party camera! :D
scottwallick
09-01-2011, 05:08
It looks tiny.
http://technobuffalo.technobuffalo.netdna-cdn.com/files/2011/08/Fujifilm-X10-12-200x300.jpg
I'll be curious to see what such a small viewfinder offers.
I have been looking for a new compact to replace my Ricoh GRD that died about a year ago, but.....I duno, this thing looks so damn ugly. I guess it depends on the finder, if its like the Canon G's then no sale. Still though looks a little larger than I would care for. A little more interested in the Pentax Q if im honest.
Gabriel M.A.
09-01-2011, 05:15
It looks tiny.
I'll be curious to see what such a small viewfinder offers.
I wouldn't expect much. But there's definitely a market for small cameras, even for those of us who don't (literally) feel them being comfortable in our hands, but who'd like to go out on a given day without carrying a brick.
Fuji marketing said:
We know, you want camera like rangefinder style and etc etc etc.
We gave x100, excellent camera and combo viewfinder and we ask ... do you want it?
We say next step, do you want cheaper camera which "look"?
Cheaper? We want to give you better pictures from 2/3 sensor than others compact. But still quality like X100. Especially for you. In compact camera, usefull for you, who like more to see. 28, 35, 50, 85, 122 mm lenses. Cheap. Can you imagine?
...
Market is really mysterious.
Tell me, who give us 2/3 sensor now? Or who will be next? Realy, who next?
After all, sensor size is main thing! (in marketing).
I think Fuji is next big digital cameras manufacturer in the world. Sony is much more now?!?!?!
GXR is answer? Who know, what they (Fuji) think about it?
!!!!! I don't want to talk about cameras. I have everything what I "want". !!!!!
PS. Fuji is my first digital camera. I like it. I like colors from it, really deep colors. Old camera.....
I think, Fuji has excellent engeneers and I am big fun of digital Fuji cameras.
It looks tiny.
http://technobuffalo.technobuffalo.netdna-cdn.com/files/2011/08/Fujifilm-X10-12-200x300.jpg
I'll be curious to see what such a small viewfinder offers.
I would just say that guy has large hands. If you look at the numbers the X10 is not really small and comparable to X100:
X100: 126 x 75 x 54 mm (4.96 x 2.95 x 2.13")
X10 : 117 x 80 x 57 (4.6 x 2.7 x 2.2")
jsrockit
09-01-2011, 06:23
Tell me, who give us 2/3 sensor now? Or who will be next? Realy, who next?
I hope someone comes out with a truly pocketable camera with this sensor.
CK Dexter Haven
09-01-2011, 06:24
Video by some Fuji guys:
http://thenewcamera.com/
They swerve toward ridiculous hyperbole, though. As if they've never seen a camera that wasn't a compact/P&S. This 2/3" sensor is "huge," and the f2 lens is "super fast." Relative to the 'class,' maybe, re: the f2, but a 2/3" sensor is still tiny, and with the NEX at the same size (or smaller), the 'class' has been re-defined.
Who said it's "ugly?" That little video on the Fuji site makes it look like a mini Leica MP. Pretty sweet.
CK Dexter Haven
09-01-2011, 06:38
It looks tiny.
I'll be curious to see what such a small viewfinder offers.
On the video by the two Fuji reps, they say viewfinder coverage is... 85%!
I haven't checked to see how that compares to the Canon G or Nikon P-whatzit, but to the audience to which this should appeal, 85% does not sound good. One of the two guys does say this viewfinder is the very best optical vf in the class, but even if it's 25% better than the Canon, that's not saying much.
jsrockit
09-01-2011, 06:40
On the video by the two Fuji reps, they say viewfinder coverage is... 85%!
I haven't checked to see how that compares to the Canon G or Nikon P-whatzit, but to the audience to which this should appeal, 85% does not sound good.
Well, the canon and the nikons are the same way. The X100's OVF is only 90%.
Jamie123
09-01-2011, 06:57
On the video by the two Fuji reps, they say viewfinder coverage is... 85%!
I haven't checked to see how that compares to the Canon G or Nikon P-whatzit, but to the audience to which this should appeal, 85% does not sound good. One of the two guys does say this viewfinder is the very best optical vf in the class, but even if it's 25% better than the Canon, that's not saying much.
If you've ever held a Canon G or a Nikon P-whatever up to your eyes you'd know that the 'optical' finder on those is utterly useless. My Olympus epic/mju has a better finder.
Frankly, any camera in this category that has a proper optical viewfinder will blow Canon's and Nikon's offerings out of the water - even at 85% coverage.
Just placed a pre-order for the wife. I may steal it occasionally.
Whoops.. didn't see this thread (I searched for X10 and the RFF search came back empty).. I wanted a Leica myself.. :)
http://www.chang-sang.com/photo/082311/LeicaX10.jpg
Cheers,
Dave
back alley
09-01-2011, 10:24
the question i have is...how would this x10 compare to my 6mp rd1 and my cv lenses?
if i could get similar quality from 2 small, lightweight cameras...one specializing in the 35 mm fov and the other offering a semi wide 28 and up to a good 100mm fov (112 actually)...that would be pretty nice.
Gabriel M.A.
09-01-2011, 11:16
the question i have is...how would this x10 compare to my 6mp rd1 and my cv lenses?
if i could get similar quality from 2 small, lightweight cameras...one specializing in the 35 mm fov and the other offering a semi wide 28 and up to a good 100mm fov (112 actually)...that would be pretty nice.
Oh, boy.
And you'd be done? :angel:
Time to start watching Hugo's site. He'll be one of the first shooting these. I believe Fuji gives him pre release models.
http://hugopoon.aminus3.com/
sevres_babylone
09-01-2011, 11:36
the question i have is...how would this x10 compare to my 6mp rd1 and my cv lenses?
if i could get similar quality from 2 small, lightweight cameras...one specializing in the 35 mm fov and the other offering a semi wide 28 and up to a good 100mm fov (112 actually)...that would be pretty nice.
I don't know about quality per se, but interchangeable lens cameras, be they digital or film, gives you the advantage of getting different looks from different lenses. I did regret using "advantage" as soon as I typed it, because the argument the other way is that an excellent single lens on a camera designed with that one lens in mind may have the advantage.
back alley
09-01-2011, 14:32
Oh, boy.
And you'd be done? :angel:
no...but it would be nice.
Archiver
09-01-2011, 22:36
Yeah, the minute I stopped drooling over the release notes, I thought, "I bet Hugo Poon will be shooting one of these any minute now".
I think that the X100 hypestorm has taught us to approach these new cameras with more balanced expectations. Sure, it has a 2/3" EXR sensor, but exactly how much better would it be than a current camera like the Pana LX5, Canon G12 or Ricoh GRD III?
If it is like a completely updated Panasonic LC1/Leica Digilux 2, then that might be a good thing. The similarities of design and features make me wonder if the LC1/D2 was an inspiration to the Fuji design team. The handling looks like it would be good, and if the image quality is at least as good, hopefully better than, the current high end small sensor cameras, then I think it will be a winner.
It's certainly not a S95 competitor, as it is much bigger. Much more of a G12 or Nikon P-whatever competitor.
Jamie123
09-02-2011, 01:59
Yeah, the minute I stopped drooling over the release notes, I thought, "I bet Hugo Poon will be shooting one of these any minute now".
I think that the X100 hypestorm has taught us to approach these new cameras with more balanced expectations. Sure, it has a 2/3" EXR sensor, but exactly how much better would it be than a current camera like the Pana LX5, Canon G12 or Ricoh GRD III?
If it is like a completely updated Panasonic LC1/Leica Digilux 2, then that might be a good thing. The similarities of design and features make me wonder if the LC1/D2 was an inspiration to the Fuji design team. The handling looks like it would be good, and if the image quality is at least as good, hopefully better than, the current high end small sensor cameras, then I think it will be a winner.
It's certainly not a S95 competitor, as it is much bigger. Much more of a G12 or Nikon P-whatever competitor.
The main thing it's got going for it is obviously the optical viewfinder. The sensor doesn't have to be better than the competition. By now most compact cameras have a decent sensor but I still don't know why even the cheapest P&S cameras of the 90s have optical viewfinders that put the likes of the Canon G12 to shame.
I'm actually quite interested in this camera, much more than I am in the X100. Sure, the X100 looks like it's a very nice camera but I already have a 'serious' digital camera. This one could be a very nice carry (almost) everywhere P&S. Not exactly pocketable but still quite compact.
Sure, the Digilux and the X10 have some similarities in design but that's really not surprising since both are obviously inspired by the classic rangefinder design.
Archiver
09-03-2011, 01:58
Sure, the Digilux and the X10 have some similarities in design but that's really not surprising since both are obviously inspired by the classic rangefinder design.
Consider:
Digilux 2 / LC1:
- 2/3" sensor
- mechanical zoom lens
- 28-90mm equivalent
- f2-2.4
- EVF
X10:
- 2/3" sensor
- mechanical zoom lens
- 28-112mm equivalent
- f2-2.8
- OVF
Those features are what I think make them similar, not just the classic rangefinder design.
I also hope that movie quality is decent, at least on a par with other high end compacts like the Pana LX5 or Canon S95.
Not that long ago I used a Canon G10 and a Sigma DP1 as a go-anywhere combo. That could be replaced by a Fuji X10 and a Ricoh GXR + 28mm module if the new Fuji is up to scratch.
buzzardkid
09-03-2011, 02:36
It looks tiny.
http://technobuffalo.technobuffalo.netdna-cdn.com/files/2011/08/Fujifilm-X10-12-200x300.jpg
I'll be curious to see what such a small viewfinder offers.
There's something wrong with this picture. The camera has a portrait shaped viewfinder here and it's square in the original post.
Somebody squeezed the shot to fit it in a web leayout.
EDIT: is that plastic, or black chrome?
Gabriel M.A.
09-03-2011, 11:24
EDIT: is that plastic, or black chrome?
Unless Fuji manufactures 100% of the camera, one will never know. Everything nowadays is outsourced by just about everyone, including the outsourcing. :D
infrequent
09-03-2011, 16:38
On the video by the two Fuji reps, they say viewfinder coverage is... 85%!
I haven't checked to see how that compares to the Canon G or Nikon P-whatzit, but to the audience to which this should appeal, 85% does not sound good. One of the two guys does say this viewfinder is the very best optical vf in the class, but even if it's 25% better than the Canon, that's not saying much.
85% coverage at all focal lengths ought to be pretty good right?
setyotomo
09-04-2011, 08:45
This is good... really good.. one more reason to "upgrade" my wife camera..heheh, i hope they also simulate neopan 1600 soon.
imokruok
09-04-2011, 09:08
I think that the X100 hypestorm has taught us to approach these new cameras with more balanced expectations. Sure, it has a 2/3" EXR sensor, but exactly how much better would it be than a current camera like the Pana LX5, Canon G12 or Ricoh GRD III?
My thoughts exactly, but mainly after seeing the expected pricing. Seeing as you can get the LX5 for $400 in the US now, the feature bump in the X10 is not worth the difference in price to me. Plus, I really like the 24mm lens in the LX5. This is not to say the X10 is not a very attractive camera with a great set of features...
tritiated
09-15-2011, 12:41
Combien?
Le sigh.. This looks like a fun camera, although I wonder how piddley the viewfinder is.
I guess the depth of field is going to be rather large most of the time.
Just bought a Nikon 7000 for my daugther - she wants a "real camera" where she can control the photos she take and she is a keen user of all the software possibilities in a modern camera (like switching to black and white mode etc). The X100, which I have, did not fit her needs (too complicated and the lack of a zoom did not make it interesting) but if the X10 had been out would have been an excellent alternative. I think the X10 will have a bigger market than the X100 and it is really good to see that there is a high-quality segment emerging in the "smaller camera" segment where we have seen too many cheap and simple P&S cameras so far!
Jon
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