The "3D" effect [Archive] - Rangefinderforum.com

Spud10

08-01-2011, 02:53

Harry S.

08-01-2011, 03:23

I find my 50/2 Planar is great for this. Sorry I dont have any examples uploaded. :rolleyes:

tlitody

08-01-2011, 04:06

I know CZ lenses are known for the 3D effect that they render on photos. I'd personally would love to see some great examples of this.

Also, how about Leica glass? Any comparisons that someone could show?

Looking forward to seeing your shots!

I think you can do this with any lens. It is your main subject position relative to background, lighting and aperture that you need to control.
Have your main subject removed from background so that at your sharpest aperture, which is usually around f5.6, provides a tad of soft blur to the background. Then some nice side lighting to give plenty local contrast in main subject with a slightly darker background.
And if you are using B+W film, then develop in a staining developer and print on graded paper (definitely not VC paper) and your main subject will poke you in the eye regardless of which lens you are using.

Strangeluv

08-01-2011, 04:40

Not a very interesting picture, but I think it shows that 3D effect some of us like.
M8 and Zeiss C-Biogon 35mm 2.8

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5220148477_4b95aa81fa_b.jpg

outfitter

08-01-2011, 04:52

In the day LF lenses were said to have a 3D effect in portraits if you could work the aberrations to leave the eyes and nose tip in focus while throwing the ears out of focus. The original Heliar was particularly noted for this: a zone of fuzziness at wider apertures and sharp all over when stopped way down. Many lenses for the Graflex (eg Wollensak Raptars) get bad reps because people don't understand that they were designed to only sharpen up at small apertures - indeed the f4.5 Tessar's optimum aperture is f/22.

This of course had to do with a style of photography that has now grown out of fashion. One should remember, however, when evaluating a classic lens to put it into the context of the photographic style of its era. Certainly a pre-war lens design famous for its 3D effect might not be what we are expecting given our mania for super sharp, aberration free lenses.

efix

08-01-2011, 04:58

http://www.efixmedia.de/photography/tag/biogon-282-8/
http://www.efixmedia.de/photography/tag/biogon-352/
http://www.efixmedia.de/photography/tag/planar-502/

Feel free to have a look! :)

md2008

08-01-2011, 05:26

Not a great photo, but the best example of "3D effect" I have. This is a Hexar AF 35mm f/2 lens. You were asking for CZ or Leica glass, but I thought I'd just throw this in as another comparison.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/22710/U22710I1307063308.SEQ.0.jpg

elmer3.5

08-01-2011, 06:38

Hi, in deed Zeiss glass givees you that "3d"

Biogon 35/2 @ f4 on M8

"The Cleaner" (Car cleaner)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5015170654_73bc3de934_z.jpg

Bye.

gavinlg

08-01-2011, 06:45

It can be done any lens - it's got to do with perspective, aperture, distance from subject, camera format (the larger sensor/film format, the more 3d effect - anything under aps-c struggles to achieve it as easily as formats larger than aps-c) and lighting. However in my experience some lenses seem to exhibit the '3d' look more than others, and definitely Zeiss lenses are somewhat famous for it. My Zeiss (for canon) 35mm f2 distagon was brilliant at it - some of the photos just looked like they popped out at you! The pentax 67/105mm f2.4 takumar does it a lot too.

http://electricrockinghorse.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/img_3011-edit.jpg
Zeiss ze 35mm Distagon @ f4ish

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5156/5896133605_7210eaacd1_b.jpg
Canon 35mm f1.4L @ f1.4

http://electricrockinghorse.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/genny-1.jpg
Canon 35mm f1.4L @ f1.4

The Canon 35 1.4L for dslr's is another lens that does it quite often...

jiri

08-01-2011, 10:48

This is an example with Summicron 50:

http://www.jiripivonka.com/images/stories/fotografie/3D.jpg

shadowfox

08-01-2011, 11:45

Look closely on the texture of the tree barks and tell me you don't feel that they are "three-dee" :D

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5624122945_fcbea6a8eb_b.jpg

Zeiss Distagon 35/2.8 - Contax SLR version.

reptkeu

03-14-2013, 10:04

Sorry to bring back this topic, but I found it interesting and I wanted to add a bit.
It could be worth looking at how painters do this. I know some of the technics involve making the subject brighter, sharper, more coloured, and a lot more contrasted than the background/surrounding. Go to a museum and see. I think it comes from the observation that atmosphere reduces clarity and colours everything with a slight blue tint in the far sight.
Another way to achieve 3d can be done by shooting with a powerful flash, the subject will be well lit, with good contrasts and everything, while the background will be darker, less contrasted, etc.

SlappyPeterson

03-14-2013, 10:18

Zeiss Planar 50mm

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6095/6223434521_5105bb8cc6_z.jpg

reptkeu

03-14-2013, 10:25

and just to back-reference, there is a prior post on this topic:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9361

Vics

03-14-2013, 10:47

I've always thought of the "3-D" effect as a product of roundness of faces and objects produced not by depth of field, but of micro-contrast. It's the very smooth and gradual gradation from light to shadow. Very difficult to achieve with grainy materials. I'm talking about roundness of cheekbones and eyes. I think older Leice lenses do it really well, as do Rolleiflexes with Zeiss and Schneider glass.

CrisR

03-23-2013, 06:25

Some pop you you.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/8046772667_7f935c6ef9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8046772667/)
On The Dam (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8046772667/) by Cris Rose (http://www.flickr.com/people/crisrose/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/8057180015_be1c57025a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8057180015/)
Raindrops On My Nose (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8057180015/) by Cris Rose (http://www.flickr.com/people/crisrose/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7107/7849756354_0bc0402ebd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/7849756354/)
Taxi Rush (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/7849756354/) by Cris Rose (http://www.flickr.com/people/crisrose/), on Flickr

and *aherm*

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7249/7879174786_5fddedbd1f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/7879174786/)
Into The Swing (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/7879174786/) by Cris Rose (http://www.flickr.com/people/crisrose/), on Flickr

TKH

03-23-2013, 13:41

Some pop you you.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7249/7879174786_5fddedbd1f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/7879174786/)
Into The Swing (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/7879174786/) by Cris Rose (http://www.flickr.com/people/crisrose/), on Flickr

Definitely 3D!!

CrisR

03-24-2013, 03:07

Went out in the snow yesterday with just the Planar and M9, i think i got some solid popping!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8102/8583295959_4a7922db67_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8583295959/)
A Swoop In The Snow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8583295959/) by Cris Rose (http://www.flickr.com/people/crisrose/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8085/8583296547_bb1e7f55fe_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8583296547/)
Photographer, In A Landscape (http://www.flickr.com/photos/crisrose/8583296547/) by Cris Rose (http://www.flickr.com/people/crisrose/), on Flickr

Black

03-24-2013, 04:47

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/7051558111_4cfb8e164c_b.jpg

Leica M8.2 w/ ZM Sonnar 1,5/50

Photo_Smith

03-24-2013, 05:19

I don't know if a certain lens or make can be considered 3D mainly I think the effect is to do with point of focus.
url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/51840227@N02/7490705846/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/7490705846_dc6f4d81ea_c.jpg[/url]
Fiona (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51840227@N02/7490705846/) by Photo Utopia (http://www.flickr.com/people/51840227@N02/), on Flickr

Possibly light and shadow also contribute

http://www.pbase.com/mark_antony/image/112966010.jpg

Both of those images were shot on Zeiss Tessar lens on a Rolleiflex, but I think the effect could be made on any make of lens...

Richard G

03-24-2013, 05:30

I think this is the 35 C Biogon, or the ZM 21.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/8019325190_43360f8b08_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/richardgm2/8019325190/)
Back Stairs (http://www.flickr.com/photos/richardgm2/8019325190/) by Richard GM2 (http://www.flickr.com/people/richardgm2/), on Flickr

Nigel Meaby

03-24-2013, 06:40

Another with the 35mm C-Biogon which I'm really appreciating on the M9. Will shoot film with it for the next few weeks. This lens is one to stay.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/575318_10151357076966139_474948017_n.jpg

redisburning

03-24-2013, 08:08

Leica M8.2 w/ ZM Sonnar 1,5/50

this is the shallowest dof picture I have ever seen that shows the effect we are discussing here. really nice shot overall.

Both of those images were shot on Zeiss Tessar lens on a Rolleiflex, but I think the effect could be made on any make of lens...

I think the Rollei tessar is actually one of the very best at doing it. other medium format contenders are the Minolta tessar derivative in the autoocord and the pentax 105/2.4 and 78/2.8 for their 6x7 system.

but without question the one lens which I have seen this the most consistently from is the Zeiss 100/2 MP. If I was making money on images I be would using one regardless of my feelings towards telephotos.

photony texas

03-24-2013, 08:41

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/25693/U25693I1267202406.SEQ.0.jpg

CrisR

03-25-2013, 01:24

I think the "pop" is more easily produceable with any lens/subject, when there is strong Bokeh behind and no visible gradient, as in Black's photo of the reveller, which of course doesn't stop it being a cool photo.

However, Nigel's shot of the sitting gentleman has neither of these aspects, yet still seems 3D and is a far greater example of what this thread is about in my opinion.

Both great shots, no doubt aided by the same lens qualities.

Nigel Meaby

03-25-2013, 02:54

CrisR

03-25-2013, 02:56

Cris, maybe it's all down to the magic lens hood you sold me ;)

well, clearly... ;)

haffy

03-25-2013, 03:46

Not a very interesting picture, but I think it shows that 3D effect some of us like.
M8 and Zeiss C-Biogon 35mm 2.8

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5220148477_4b95aa81fa_b.jpg

Hi Strangeluv, I will start with to say what a great picture to show the pop effect. I only want to ask you if this lens is the same as this Zeiss Biogon T* 35/2,8 ZM ? Link to the page where I am about to buy it thaks to you :)
http://www.cyberphoto.se/info.php?article=Z1486393

alexnotalex

03-25-2013, 05:24

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8492388168_fb9fb88ee6_c.jpg
summilux wide open in full sun, carving my son out of the background

akitadog

05-02-2013, 14:21

Excellent Image. Nice "3D" pop with the tree trunk. This is one of the reasons I sold all my Leica glass and am now using only Zeiss ZM and ZF lenses.

Regards,

Akitadog

Look closely on the texture of the tree barks and tell me you don't feel that they are "three-dee" :D

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5624122945_fcbea6a8eb_b.jpg

Zeiss Distagon 35/2.8 - Contax SLR version.

furbs

06-11-2013, 19:21

As others have said, the 3D effect can be created with any lens. Certain elements help, though all need not be present - limited DOF, good focus falloff and micro-contrast in the lens, conducive lighting, etc. Here's one with a Sigma 35 f1.4:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/8739998390_d60bcb55a4_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/furbs/8739998390/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/furbs/8739998390/) by ffurbss (http://www.flickr.com/people/furbs/), on Flickr

And a Nikon 105 f2:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7360/8863755289_2b779f4fd6_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/furbs/8863755289/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/furbs/8863755289/) by ffurbss (http://www.flickr.com/people/furbs/), on Flickr

I don't have a lens yet for my new-to-me M4, but the C-Biogon and Sonnar look like mighty fine candidates...

NaChase

06-11-2013, 19:38

Leica M6 + Zeiss Biogon f/2
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8212/8392906467_2dcd90bf3b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33155788@N07/8392906467/)
All a Blur (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33155788@N07/8392906467/) by N.Chase (http://www.flickr.com/people/33155788@N07/), on Flickr

jwicaksana

06-11-2013, 20:21

This subject always sparks my interest. Sometimes I got confused with 'glow' but that's another topic for another day. Here's some from me, tell me what you guys think:

1. Helios 58mm f/2
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8504937493_68d0ce807d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwicaksana/8504937493/)
Pasir Reungit (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwicaksana/8504937493/)

2. Nikkor 55mm f/1.2
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8085/8464284138_4f9800f3b6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwicaksana/8464284138/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwicaksana/8464284138/)

3. Xenar 75mm f/3.5 on a Rolleicord III
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8471/8102205055_4bd57ac5ff_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwicaksana/8102205055/)
Arisan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwicaksana/8102205055/)

kxl

06-11-2013, 20:28

Good lighting helps...

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/23043/med_U23043I1365211716.SEQ.2.jpg

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/23043/med_U23043I1358398018.SEQ.0.jpg