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back alley
07-04-2011, 20:03
getting more comfortable with each other...large difference with using the wrist strap instead of the long strap...stopped filddling with the settings, need to learn one setting and then play with making adjustments.
the biggest difference with shooting the x100 vs. the rd1 is that i cannot predict what the image will look like with the x100.
shooting with the rd1, it's like i can see the final result before i even press the shutter...this is why we have bonded, i believe.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6033/5903913544_0c8959cb53_b.jpg
getting more comfortable with each other...large difference with using the wrist strap instead of the long strap...stopped filddling with the settings, need to learn one setting and then play with making adjustments.
the biggest difference with shooting the x100 vs. the rd1 is that i cannot predict what the image will look like with the x100.
shooting with the rd1, it's like i can see the final result before i even press the shutter...this is why we have bonded, i believe.
Are you refering to the 1 to 1 view finder ... I had one in my R3A and didn't think it was that fabulous!
I have my own theories about why you and your RD-1's have bonded! :D
Like the image, the x100 is still an open book. You are working your way through it page by page.
M4streetshooter
07-05-2011, 02:16
Joe, I understand that bond your talking about. The first thing would be to try to get the camera from being an intrusion. Take a little time like you said and learn the cameras settings that you will be using.
Then if the camera still intrudes, dump it. I don't think it will as it has a way of just being without being in the way.
Don
I am watching with great curiosity how you will get on with the camera because I have contemplated an X100 to replace my EP1 and maybe others. Never fully bonded with the Oly and am thinking of selling it off while its still worth a few cents.
How is the card write times doing for you now? Are you finding it ok now or still slow? Love to hear some more thoughts about street shooting with the camera.
willie_901
07-05-2011, 07:10
The write times are sluggish compared to many cameras. You can keep shooting during writing, but you can't change parameters.
This has led to confusion. Many of the reports describing exposure inconsistencies are due to people changing aperture or shutter speed before writing has completed.
I used to bracket shutter speeds. However I quit doing his for two reasons. The multimode exposure metering works really well and the dynamic range of the RAW files is excellent – so small exposure errors aren't a problem. The write times are a bit long for three bracketed exposures.
back alley
07-05-2011, 08:26
Are you refering to the 1 to 1 view finder ... I had one in my R3A and didn't think it was that fabulous!
I have my own theories about why you and your RD-1's have bonded! :D
love to hear what those theories might be...
back alley
07-05-2011, 08:27
Joe, I understand that bond your talking about. The first thing would be to try to get the camera from being an intrusion. Take a little time like you said and learn the cameras settings that you will be using.
Then if the camera still intrudes, dump it. I don't think it will as it has a way of just being without being in the way.
Don
yes. the rd1 has become second nature, there is little need for thinking about what i am doing with it. the x100 still is a mystery.
back alley
07-05-2011, 08:28
I am watching with great curiosity how you will get on with the camera because I have contemplated an X100 to replace my EP1 and maybe others. Never fully bonded with the Oly and am thinking of selling it off while its still worth a few cents.
How is the card write times doing for you now? Are you finding it ok now or still slow? Love to hear some more thoughts about street shooting with the camera.
i need to just walk around with the camera a bit more before i can honestly rate it for the street. in theory it has tons of potential.
I remember when I first started driving, all of my concentration was taken up with pushing levers, changing gears, watching revs and still trying to watch where I was going. Now I just get in the car and drive, I intuitively find the right gear and can enjoy the journey. I am finding that with time I am getting used to the X100 such that I just concentrate on taking pictures. Part of this learning curve is adapting to the camera's idiosyncrasies (as with any gadget). I love the X100 it feels right in my hands.
M4streetshooter
07-05-2011, 10:34
I remember when I first started driving, all of my concentration was taken up with pushing levers, changing gears, watching revs and still trying to watch where I was going. Now I just get in the car and drive, I intuitively find the right gear and can enjoy the journey. I am finding that with time I am getting used to the X100 such that I just concentrate on taking pictures. Part of this learning curve is adapting to the camera's idiosyncrasies (as with any gadget). I love the X100 it feels right in my hands.
That's the best analogy I've read in a long time.
I don't understand why you are so patient, Joe. All the cameras I liked, it was clear very early that they "fit me". All these opportunities lost when your Epsons stay at home ...
back alley
07-05-2011, 11:15
I don't understand why you are so patient, Joe. All the cameras I liked, it was clear very early that they "fit me". All these opportunities lost when your Epsons stay at home ...
i really like the look of the black & white images that i have seen produced by the x100.
i like it's size and extreme portability and lightness.
i like that it's new technology and might create better files than the rd1.
my only fear/hesitation with the rd1 is that if they 'break' and cannot be repaired than i am sunk! i would rather go through the learning curve of a new camera while i still have access to my rd1s rather than while i might be in mourning if they go kaput.
Richard G
07-05-2011, 11:50
This is the only digital camera I have tried where I have indeed got that Leica like confidence that the picture will turn out how I think it will. And that's just for the pictures in situations where a fast lens and fast film would cope or just cope. I had a play with a D700 yesterday. Great camera. Very heavy. Lots of button selectable adjustments. Getting to the point where there are my core settings from which I only need occasionally to deviate is what I have pursued with the X100, because that is one of the strengths of a Leica-no choices to distract. This is why i use auto ISO with the X100. Now that the command wheel can be locked I am switching to manual focus for close shots but still find that autofocus with AF-S works well enough that I keep that on as default.
Great post by greyelm. I am like that with my current car, until I am fiddling with the steering wheel buttons for cruise control. The cruise control is so tedious in my wife's car, otherwise so similar, that I did something worse than miss the shot - I got a ticket.
Peter Wijninga
07-05-2011, 11:57
i like that it's new technology and might create better files than the rd1. GAS.
M4streetshooter
07-05-2011, 13:15
The Eppy has mojo. I loved that camera but alas the RF made me nuts.
The X100 has mojo also but ya have to find it.
I think in a short time, you will.
The Eppy repair issue is scary to say the least. When they stopped production, I bought a reconditioned one as an extra. I left it in the box for 2 years and then when I tried to use it, it was dead.
The X100 hopefully won't have that problem for many years.
back alley
07-05-2011, 15:11
The Eppy has mojo. I loved that camera but alas the RF made me nuts.
The X100 has mojo also but ya have to find it.
I think in a short time, you will.
The Eppy repair issue is scary to say the least. When they stopped production, I bought a reconditioned one as an extra. I left it in the box for 2 years and then when I tried to use it, it was dead.
The X100 hopefully won't have that problem for many years.
my rangefinders have been really good...working wise. one had an rf that was out and it took me a few minutes of careful adjustment to get it perfect but it has been fine since then.
i do love the entire experience of using the rd1 and when i think of selling, even one of them, i get a bit sick to my stomach...so i doubt that i will.
i think it's ok to look to the future and start to prepare myself for the next iteration of whatever it is that will be my next full time camera.
Joe,
Here is a link to Epson Repair in Japan.
http://www.epson.jp/support/shuri/10_digital_camera.htm
The R-D1 will still be serviced until 9/30/2013
The R-D1s until 9/30/2016
If you have a R-D1s like me, we are good for 5+ Years.
back alley
07-05-2011, 15:32
i just had the rd1s tuned by epson and will send the rd1 off over the winter...they have suspended service since the earthquake with no word (last time i checked) as to when they will resume.
my fear is what if it can't be fixed (if it were to break) or if the repair cost is just not acceptable.
M4streetshooter
07-05-2011, 15:41
I heard a few years ago that Sherry Krauter was going to do repairs on them....
My Rd was new from Japan and the rangefinder was a little off when in focus...you know the slight out of registration thing. I learned to live with it because the camera made such great files and that cocking lever...well....that's a joy in itself....
I wish my X100 had that lever.....
I just did mine as well. I first sent it to Steve's Camera (He's Close) and then when he couldn't get the RF adjustments right, off to Japan.
There has to be a lot of Cosina stuff inside and 5 years is a looong time
I'm guessing they will have most of the rest and it is still a flat rate for labor, plus parts.
...my only fear/hesitation with the rd1 is that if they 'break' and cannot be repaired than i am sunk! i would rather go through the learning curve of a new camera while i still have access to my rd1s rather than while i might be in mourning if they go kaput.
I'm sort of in the same boat with my Digilux 2. A lovely camera to use and the output is really superb but it is an old camera using (relatively) old technology so I know that at some point it will fail and not be worth fixing. As long as it works I'll never part with it but I'd like to have a replacement on hand before it actually fails. So far I've found nothing that does the job but the Ricoh/Leica/Pentax GXR has some possibilities as does a potential interchangeable lens Fuji X100 cousin. Got my fingers crossed...
jsrockit
07-06-2011, 04:13
I don't understand why you are so patient, Joe. All the cameras I liked, it was clear very early that they "fit me". All these opportunities lost when your Epsons stay at home ...
Huh? What opportunity would he miss because he has the X100 instead of the Epson?
Huh? What opportunity would he miss because he has the X100 instead of the Epson?
Why defensive ?
... the x100 ... felt very clumsy and extremely slow in my hands...it is slower than i would like and many of the shots i took have the action just leaving the frame...i need to learn the timing of the x100 as it is very different from my rangefinders.
A camera is a personal thing, IMO. These shoes are not cheap. They don't fit. Use the old shoes until you find a new pair you fall in love with .... Who knows what cameras will be available while the RD1s can still be serviced (5 years) ?
I realise keeping the Epsons until they're no longer viable seems like an attractive option because the camera is comfortably familiar ... but in your shoes I'd be selling both now and getting an M8.2 to use along side the X100.
You'll gain a little focal length width with less crop and you'll get to experience and come to terms with a digital M ... opening a possible pathway to a used M9 a couple of years down the track.
jsrockit
07-06-2011, 05:36
Not defensive ferider, but I also admit to not seeing his post about missing shots. Now I see your point. I just use both the Leica M and X100 and don't miss shots with one that I wouldn't have got with the other. I think with the Fuji, it is a matter of setting the camera up to your liking (once) and then just using it. It's not a hard camera to use.
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