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back alley
02-25-2011, 12:50
sitting here thinking about gear, as in getting some new stuff...specifically the x100.
but WHAT gear is not the topic here today but rather any gear...that new lens...i really want to get my hands on the 50/1.1 but then i have a perfectly good 50/2.5...what difference would the new gear make in my shooting?...what impact would the 1.1. versus the 2.5 make on my images?
what would be different if had a neat new auto everything x100 instead of my rd1 and the 40 sonnar?

why do i (we) want new gear, different gear?
what would it change in our shooting (my) shooting habits?
would my flickr site look any different?
could anyone tell?

gns
02-25-2011, 13:00
How many times have you had new gear already?
I think we all know the answer.

Cheers,
Gary

fixbones
02-25-2011, 13:02
Probably not a great deal of difference in the final product i.e the imags....

However, interest and excitement in owning something new is part of what makes photography a hobby as well.

Just like those collecting cars for example, why have more than one when all of them does the job in bringing you ofrom A to B.

I don't know about you guys but i find it nice to buy myself something new or 'new to me' every now and then..........

robklurfield
02-25-2011, 13:18
fresh eyes ... a momentary burst of new enthusiasm ... fear of the first scratch ... disappointment at the first feature that didn't live up expectations ... new challenges at how to make the new thing fit your style of seeing and shooting ... then wondering if you should have kept whatever you replaced.

ALL that stuff is mostly emotional and a little bit intellectual. As to whether or not any of this will have impact on your work... you know better than most of us that your skills and vision matter more than the gear itself. So, the question comes down to things like will the new lens little me shoot with less light or give more resolution AND does any of that actually matter. Other than that, the biggest factor is the money I spend make me feel energized to go out shoot more images AND how long will that last. Only time will answer that.

COULD ANYONE TELL THE DIFFERENCE? I'll bet lots of people think they could, but I'll be most of couldn't if put to a blind test. Yeah, all of us could tell that something was shot with a 1.1 or 1.2 wide open versus anything stopped way down. I question how much people who weren't with you in the same light when you made a shot could tell the difference in a print or on your Flickr page between a 1.1 Nokton and Noctilux, let alone between two difference lens both stopped way down.

If we look at magazines or websites or friends who do real scientific testing in controlled circumstances of different lens, most of us can see the differences. But, when you actually go out to shoot, how scientific and controlled is that environment?

Anyway, I think you'd enjoy an X100 as second camera, but have really big regrets if it were your only camera. I can't picture you living with one lens that you'd trade and swap with others. I had a Digilux 2. It was swell. But it wasn't the same as being able to try all that great M-mount/LTM to M adaptable glass that makes owning RD-1's and M's flexible and fun.

I'll be the X100 is great, but I think the hype over it is silly. Just IMHO.

Keith
02-25-2011, 13:21
I'm thinking less about new stuff and more about right stuff because the right stuff will stop me wanting new stuff all the time!

It's the search for the holy grail and it never seems to quite end!

bobkonos
02-25-2011, 13:22
And would you buy it from someone who asked you to add the Paypal and shipping fees to the advertised price? :-)

back alley
02-25-2011, 13:49
fun?

I AM AN ARTIST ...

back alley
02-25-2011, 13:50
And would you buy it from someone who asked you to add the Paypal and shipping fees to the advertised price? :-)

as long as it stated fees and shipping included in price.

back alley
02-25-2011, 13:51
I'm thinking less about new stuff and more about right stuff because the right stuff will stop me wanting new stuff all the time!

It's the search for the holy grail and it never seems to quite end!

holy grail...and i don't even go to church!

back alley
02-25-2011, 13:52
Well, I am not.... but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.....

GROAN....


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rover
02-25-2011, 13:52
fun?

I AM AN ARTIST ...

Well, I am not.... but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.....

rover
02-25-2011, 13:53
See, now we are all out of order. You were posting too quickly so i went and did a quick edit thinking I was going to make things look better.

I think we just ignore that and all sit in wonder at Joe's mind reading abilities.

back alley
02-25-2011, 13:53
amazing! i just quoted rover BEFORE he said it...

it's deja vu all over again...y. berra

Keith
02-25-2011, 13:56
I've even decided I don't really need the new Fuji after all ... I just need to get out and use what I already have a lot more! :(

rover
02-25-2011, 14:00
I have about 150 new rolls of film to get out and try that I am excited about.

back alley
02-25-2011, 14:02
I have about 150 new rolls of film to get out and try that I am excited about.

maybe i should unwrap a new sd card?

f16sunshine
02-25-2011, 14:04
The Rollei sonnar is new to me for a month now. It's the perfect normal on the RD1 and M8 for me. Nothing other digital and rangefinder is interesting to me. Curious what you think the new fuji would give you that you don't have now??? AF? That to me might be the one thing I would want but not with a 23mm lens..... Not with this 40mm sonnar on the lens mount now.

rover
02-25-2011, 14:04
It is the same thing. Instead of being caught up in a new lens or camera I am obsessed with different films and ways to process them. Still the urge to do and have something new. For me it is just bought in a canister.

back alley
02-25-2011, 14:07
The Rollei sonnar is new to me for a month now. It's the perfect normal on the RD1 and M8 for me. Nothing other digital and rangefinder is interesting to me. Curious what you think the new fuji would give you that you don't have now??? AF? That to me might be the one thing I would want but not with a 23mm lens..... Not with this 40mm sonnar on the lens mount now.

the af is an attractive feature for me...my focusing is slowing down a little lately.

Brian Sweeney
02-25-2011, 14:07
I'm going to get something new this year.

I've been selling off stuff to get it. What is really scary- where the hell did all that stuff come from and you just don't think that you've accummulated so much stuff over 40 years of collecting.

Photorama Show this weekend at Tyson's corner.

rover
02-25-2011, 14:09
I'm going to get something new this year.

I've been selling off stuff to get it. What is really scary- where the hell did all that stuff come from and you just don't think that you've accummulated so much stuff over 40 years of collecting.

Photorama Show this weekend at Tyson's corner.

Are you going as a vendor?

JoeFriday
02-25-2011, 14:09
How many times have you had new gear already?
I think we all know the answer.

and has anyone here not done business with joe at some point?

but we all know new (to you) stuff takes better photos.. go for it!

Keith
02-25-2011, 14:09
I'm going to get something new this year.

I've been selling off stuff to get it. What is really scary- where the hell did all that stuff come from and you just don't think that you've accummulated so much stuff over 40 years of collecting.

Photorama Show this weekend at Tyson's corner.



I'd have to suspect an M9? :D

back alley
02-25-2011, 14:11
and has anyone here not done business with joe at some point?

but we all know new (to you) stuff takes better photos.. go for it!

lol!!



.

Brian Sweeney
02-25-2011, 14:19
I'm going to pick up an M9.

As far as "New Stuff"- it is not always better. I still write embedded code in Assembly language because it gives the response time that I need. I like older lenses for the look that they give. But Digital Cameras, the march of progress for high-end gear usually means better images.

monochromejrnl
02-25-2011, 14:30
I've learned the hard way - gear may improve image quality but has no bearing on making better images.

After spending the last year learning how to make prints (silver gelatin fibre and platinum palladium, I've come to the inevitable conclusion that the quality of my gear is more than sufficient to great the quality of prints I aspire to craft...

good luck whatever you decide...

tbarker13
02-25-2011, 14:37
I've been pretty successful at cutting back on my selling and buying - though I did just sell my M2 and buy an M6 (I've given up on not having a metered body for now.)
I got to a point where i was obsessing over it. It helps that I've been doing a ton more shooting - that seems to keep my mind from wandering toward new toys.
Still, I don't see anything wrong with it. Just part of the hobby.

Paulbe
02-25-2011, 14:38
I am sure that all my new stuff is only feeding an insatiable ego (mine).
It will never be happy.
So I can change my mind--or--just keep on buyin'.
One day I will notice that buying something new does NOT bring lasting satisfaction....and there seems to be less money.
Good luck to us all.

Vickko
02-25-2011, 14:49
In psychology, it is called habituation, maybe the fancy term for "boredom". And boredom kills creativity.

So, kill boredom, to eliminate its detrimental impact on creativity.

If you were a writer, invest in nice instruments. If you were a painter, try different brushes, different paints.

And, in photography, we are blessed with GAS and an industry that supports it

:-)

nikon_sam
02-25-2011, 15:50
Here's what you do...
Run an Ad saying "I'd like to try XXXXXX camera and XXXXX lens...if you have this I would be willing to swap some of my gear that maybe you'd like to try..."

Swapping gear instead of trading it will allow you to give it a try and see if it "Floats your boat..." If it does then maybe you could start looking to buy...if it doesn't then just send it back...just make sure it's in the same condition as when you got it...

Right now I'd like to try an Olympus Pen F...I just don't know if I want to own one yet...

sjw617
02-25-2011, 15:54
New gear is exciting but rarely improves images. Getting rid of the darn winter cold and snow will do more for your attitude than new gear.
Plan a project, no matter how small or how easy. Thinking about that will get you more interested and save you money.

Steve

SolaresLarrave
02-25-2011, 16:08
joe, the m5 bodies are a never ending source of fun. ever since i got mulder and scully i've been busy. sure, i'd like another 35mm lens (and in silver, and i'm thinking on a zeiss planar 35 f2) but right now, mulder has a nokton and scully has either a 'lux or my fast canon...

there's no end to the fun.

so, get yourself an m5! ;)

Doug
02-25-2011, 16:15
...why do i (we) want new gear, different gear?
what would it change in our shooting (my) shooting habits?
would my flickr site look any different?
could anyone tell?
Because it's fun, exciting, and refocuses our enthusiasm in working out new possibilities with the new gear. Isn't that what it's all about?

So you're talking to your dealer (in person or by phone or email) and shopping for what you want sometime soon... and something cracks and you say something about going to get it anyway, might was well be right now, and you offer your method of payment and the anticipation is delicious.

Yeah, I was just talking to Tony Rose the other day and had that experience. :D

wlewisiii
02-25-2011, 16:20
I'm going to get something new this year.

I've been selling off stuff to get it. What is really scary- where the hell did all that stuff come from and you just don't think that you've accummulated so much stuff over 40 years of collecting.

Photorama Show this weekend at Tyson's corner.

I've done my "buy something new this year" thing already :D And having fun using it too, once I got past everything being backwards :angel:

I think that's one of the reasons why I so dearly love old film cameras - not too many other ways I could put together a first class SLR kit for under $500 total.

Enjoy that M9 Brian.

sig
02-25-2011, 16:34
there is only one answer, everything will change and you will become a better photographer, a much better one.

Frank Petronio
02-25-2011, 17:19
I no longer even think about holding onto anything for years and years, I enjoy the mental refresh of switching from a small sensor digital to an 8x10 and everything else in between. Some set-ups are better for spontaneity and others for capturing detail, but the important thing is to shoot no matter what. There is always a good shot out there....

Someone will buy my X100 and my M6 and Linhof and D400 and Mamiya and the next Hexar AF I buy, use, and swap.

Vics
02-25-2011, 18:24
Imagine the best piece of new gear you could want. Then save up the money to buy it. Then use the money to buy plane tickets to someplace you've never been and take your favorite camera and your favorite lens with you. Post the pictures here.

rsosa
02-25-2011, 21:24
I'm going to pick up an M9.

As far as "New Stuff"- it is not always better. I still write embedded code in Assembly language because it gives the response time that I need. I like older lenses for the look that they give. But Digital Cameras, the march of progress for high-end gear usually means better images.

I've learned the hard way - gear may improve image quality but has no bearing on making better images.

After spending the last year learning how to make prints (silver gelatin fibre and platinum palladium, I've come to the inevitable conclusion that the quality of my gear is more than sufficient to great the quality of prints I aspire to craft...

good luck whatever you decide...

Must agree with quoted comments

Its all a matter of balance I'd say. Maybe I'm a no risk person, I'll stay at the middle balancing opinions. I can't forget to think about the great masters of photography. Think of HCB, he used to use what? One camera 2 lenses, 1? He produced so many great images... We all agree about that. When I have the lust for new gear, I watch the documentary we all know that sits at youtube.

Being open minded, perceptive, compromised with the environment (respectful), concentrated and have a lot of luck are part of he things that make our hobby fun. All of it have been said (magic numbers, contrast, interesting subjects)

Despite it was not named, I think we all pursue these holly grail, make it in new gear, new techniques, new behaviors at taking photos. Maybe its the path we choose or the objective we follow that differentiates us all. Maybe its a journey we all walk differently. Mine is for images that catch the eye, make you think/look twice, beautiful things that make you come back over and over again without boring. The awww factor. I still did not get It, none to my taste must admit, far away from it!

Don't want to say HCB was the holy gray holder, but, he made it simple, did not care if film was lost during its shipping to Paris or if it was bad developed at the location in Bombay, he was there like letting it be, floating in the air. Tools seems were not so important to him, it was more like the leica he was using atm was a nice tool, and he used that to better fit his ways, purposes.

On the other hand, I do also love new gear (and my new to me and until the grave M4), the unknown, unexpected thing I want from it. Is it all what I wanted/expected? Anyway, looking at the great masters work, interviews, writing makes me more humble and calm down my lust for new gear, the GAS thing as I've learnt to call it here.

gliderbee
02-25-2011, 21:42
I don't know about you guys but i find it nice to buy myself something new or 'new to me' every now and then..........

The real problem is the "now and then" part ...:o

... and there's another problem I'm experiencing each time I stand before my "humble" camera collection: I would like to use them all at once, so each and every time I have to pick one, I'm fretting over the choice to make.

Should I take the camera A with lens X or camera A with lens Y or camera B with lens X and Y in my pocket or should I use MF now (and what camera to take then, and what lenses ...).

It does learn one to take tough decisions though :D

Stefan.

Chris101
02-25-2011, 22:36
...
why do i (we) want new gear, different gear?
what would it change in our shooting (my) shooting habits?
...

Joe, I find that I have a deep streak of creativity whenever I add something new, or change gear completely. It's because I subconsciously ask myself, "what can I do differently with this that I couldn't do without it?"

I wish I could ask what I could do differently NOW, cause then I'd have creativity on tap. But I don't.

Roger Hicks
02-26-2011, 00:03
Nowadays, I tend to buy new gear only when it does something my existing gear can't do (ever more rarely the case) or when it does something better than the gear I have.

Hence MP for better finder, meter, Leicavit, to replace (or rather, supplement) M4-P and M2 (actually I did sell one M2 but kept the one with the Rapidwinder on it); M8 for digi; M9 for full-frame digi.

In other words I didn't get any more Leicas for close on 20 years (early 80s to early 21st century); then 3 in a decade; and I fnd it hard to imagine what an M10 may have that will tempt me to spend another fortune on it, so the M9 may yet see me out.

Likewise with lenses. In this century I've added the 1,5/50 C-Sonnar (my favourite 50), the Thambar (unique) and the 135/2.8 to my Leica-fit lens collection. The 135/2.8 was the only one I've had before. I'm a little bit richer than I used to be, so I could more easily justify a lens I use very seldom (but love when I do). My wife has added the 4/18 Zeiss (which she prefers to the Voigtländer 15/4.5 and any 21) and 50/2.5 Summarit (her favourite 50). If we could afford it we'd buy a WATE.

Unlike many, I find that major changes of gear (such as the 3-lens Hasselblad outfit I reviewed a couple of years ago -- the new Zeiss Classic lenses) can actually reduce creativity: I spend time thinking about the equipment and how to use it, not about the pictures.

Cheers,

R.

Sparrow
02-26-2011, 01:05
I'm glad I'm done! well apart from maintaining what I have, I bought a Minox a couple of years ago to replace a mju II that I broke but I haven't bothered getting anything else since.

Anyway the buttons are always in the wrong place on new gear, with the old stuff it feels almost automatic, a bit like driving ... one gets to the destination but can't remember any of the gear-changes, that's what I want from a camera. To get in the way of the picture as little as possible, new stuff have too many bells and buzzers usually.

Roger Hicks
02-26-2011, 01:23
I'm glad I'm done! well apart from maintaining what I have, I bought a Minox a couple of years ago to replace a mju II that I broke but I haven't bothered getting anything else since.

Anyway the buttons are always in the wrong place on new gear, with the old stuff it feels almost automatic, a bit like driving ... one gets to the destination but can't remember any of the gear-changes, that's what I want from a camera. To get in the way of the picture as little as possible, new stuff have too many bells and buzzers usually.

Dear Stewart,

Exactly!

Cheers,

R.

alistair.o
02-26-2011, 02:00
Dear Stewart,

Exactly!

Cheers,

R.

Besides agreeing with that which Stewart, Roger and Keith have written, I feel as though the whole 'new gear' thing can so easily be driven in one's mind by industry and peer pressure.

I am in a place now of 'drilling down' on what I have and use and saying 'Yes, I enjoyed that buying phase, but what do I really know about photography itself and capabilities of my kit and me?'

"Wretched man that I am, who will save me from the internet shops?" :rolleyes:

Al

rover
02-26-2011, 02:23
Roger's bought $10,000+ worth of new stuff in the past couple years.

Err, that qualifies him in with the rest of us hacks no matter how hard he boasts that he isn't.

Roger Hicks
02-26-2011, 02:40
Roger's bought $10,000+ worth of new stuff in the past couple years.

Err, that qualifies him in with the rest of us hacks no matter how hard he boasts that he isn't.

Well, four or five years, I guess.

Last 'new' car (1972 Land Rover): 2002. Last 'new' motorcycle 1978 BMW R100RS in 1981. Admittedly Frances bought a 1966 Mobylette moped for 150€ in 2007 and a 1990 Seat Marbella for 1100€ in 2010, and re-tiled the kitchen floor herself (200€ in tiles, when I was recovering from appendicitis) in 2009.

An inheritance from her late aunt Helen helped us both. Hence the 20-year gap between the M4-P and the MP.

Edit: a further thought. NOT buying stuff I 'can afford' (because it's cheap or even 'a bargain') is another factor, alongside the inheritance, which means that I have the money to buy what I really want. Also, of course, I can offset it all against taxes.

Second edit: And no mortgage since 2002.

Cheers,

R.

Sparrow
02-26-2011, 03:13
I got a huge rush of insecurity complex when I first started on the interweb, spent a few grand on new kit. Then, being quick to catch on, a few years later I noticed my contact sheets were like chequer boards, exposures all over the place and a convincing explanation why printing the buggers had got so difficult.

It would seem I found TTL metres and their attendant LEDs was much too complex for my weak will and I was treating chase-the-metre as the prime task, instead of framing and timing. With the end result being I did none of them properly and everything went tits-up, surprisingly when I went back to the old kit everything went back to normal.

Pherdinand
02-26-2011, 03:51
i have 50-60 rolls of film slowly expiring in the fridge... or maybe they all are expired already... I should use more. Maybe i should buy a "new" camera to excite myself and use them?
well, the x100 won't help in that of course
so there it is, i have the answer to myself: no i should not get the x100 :D

slm
02-26-2011, 04:04
I'm excited to try out the new Kodak Portra films !
My best color RA-4 print was from a Portra negative (best as in, nicest looking colors).
It seemed to be much easier to print vs. consumer color film (Fuji).