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TimothyHughes
02-01-2011, 14:27
You knew it had to be done. ;)
I've seen a ton of great suggestions in the forums on improving what we know about the upcoming camera. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on what changes they'd like to see in future editions of the X100. Like all good cameras, there will be future editions.
At first I thought I wanted f/1.4 and IS. After thinking about it, I no longer think it needs IS.
photony texas
02-01-2011, 14:33
If it came in BLACK I might consider going over to "The Digital Darkside"
:D
The poor thing's not even released yet and we're already telling Fuji how to improve it! :eek:
You guys are tough. :p
sojournerphoto
02-01-2011, 14:36
The poor thing's not even released yet and we're already telling Fuji how to improve it! :eek:
You guys are tough. :p
This is RFF!!
What about a removable film module?
andredossantos
02-01-2011, 14:37
Seriously, Keith! When I saw the thread title I was scratching my head!
:D
I have to admit the proliferation of X100 threads was really pi$$ing me off at one stage ... but for some weird reason I quite enjoy them now! They say it does take a while to adjust to a disability!
And I have little intention of buying one new! :p
SimonSawSunlight
02-01-2011, 14:45
If it came in BLACK I might consider going over to "The Digital Darkside"
:D
how very pragmatic.
:D
Brian Sweeney
02-01-2011, 14:49
This is RFF!!
What about a removable film module?
Kodak did that.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84251&highlight=dcs200
remove the flash and shed the "retro" styling.
I miss distance markers and a DOF scale on the lens! Right now it seems that you have to use the finder to focus manually. Or should I really use auto-focus? :eek:
SimonSawSunlight
02-01-2011, 14:56
how about a Leica S2 improvement thread? ah right, that one does come in black. :D
sorry for being sarcastic, I'm done now.
This thread is already getting old; someone needs to start an X200 Improvement thread.
~Joe
TimothyHughes
02-01-2011, 15:31
I miss distance markers and a DOF scale on the lens! Right now it seems that you have to use the finder to focus manually. Or should I really use auto-focus? :eek:
I think additions like this ^^ and a matte black option would be considered fairly easy to incorporate.
X100 is a major improvement in terms of photographic functionality compared to anything out there in its class, so as long as it operates smoothly and its fast in its basic photo taking operation, it will be sold out for at least first six months of its release.
Dedicated ISO dial. Doubled up on top of shutter dial would work with me. But, I don't want to lose the Fn+dial option for non-ISO functions. So, a dedicated ISO button somewhere near shutter release is my ideal.
With film we use one ISO and stick with it, and when loading a new film it takes a while, so while I do like a separate ISO button, its not really a big deal especially when almost every digital camera has a auto ISO function.
They just need to make the +/- button more solid so it won't easily get moved by hand, its placed in an awkward position as the Norwegian guy mentioned.
Phil_F_NM
02-01-2011, 16:08
Why not just spray paint it black?
Phil Forrest
TimothyHughes
02-01-2011, 16:59
Why not just spray paint it black?
Phil Forrest
I'm guessing you're being sarcastic.
It's not completely far-fetched. These guys specialize in painting gadgets. http://www.colorwarepc.com/default.aspx That said, I don't see any cameras in their portfolio. Just camera phones.
Put a Nikon logo on it and make it look like a smaller S3! :D
ruby.monkey
02-01-2011, 17:32
Find it some sane supporters?
jsrockit
02-02-2011, 03:56
Re-title to: X100 Wishful Thinking thread
Re-title to: X100 Wishful Thinking thread
As in "I wish they had kept it secret until closer to the release date"?
jsrockit
02-02-2011, 04:29
remove the flash and shed the "retro" styling.
Buy a DSLR. :)
Phil_F_NM
02-02-2011, 04:56
The buzz on the internet alone for this camera is excellent, free marketing for Fuji's brand. Releasing the news of the camera early was excellent strategy on their part.
As far as the spray paint, I wasn't sarcastic. Final product is only as good as the prep time put in. There's no reason that these can't be painted.
Phil Forrest
The buzz on the internet alone for this camera is excellent, free marketing for Fuji's brand. Releasing the news of the camera early was excellent strategy on their part.
As far as the spray paint, I wasn't sarcastic. Final product is only as good as the prep time put in. There's no reason that these can't be painted.
Phil Forrest
Well ... we've waited this long for the camera and it's still not here so another six months for Shintaro to paint one shouldn't be a problem! :D
Call me when it gets an M-mount and full frame sensor. 'Til then, it's just a tourist camera.
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ruby.monkey
02-02-2011, 05:20
Add a Leica logo to the front so that we can tape over it.
videogamemaker
02-02-2011, 05:28
Call me when it gets an M-mount and full frame sensor. 'Til then, it's just a tourist camera.
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Why don't you buy an m9?
jsrockit
02-02-2011, 05:37
Call me when it gets an M-mount and full frame sensor. 'Til then, it's just a tourist camera.
Only a tourist would say such nonsense. ;)
I miss distance markers and a DOF scale on the lens! Right now it seems that you have to use the finder to focus manually. Or should I really use auto-focus? :eek:
This. I was surprised that Fuji did not include a DoF scale.
This. I was surprised that Fuji did not include a DoF scale.
Where have you been?
The Focal Distance + DoF scale was known since Day 1...in the O/EVF where your eye should be, a world's first.
Phil_F_NM
02-02-2011, 16:18
Call me when it gets an M-mount and full frame sensor. 'Til then, it's just a tourist camera.
How about an M8? It has the resolution necessary to compete with full frame and they are pretty cheap these days. M8 is an awesome camera still.
The 1.3 crop sensor doesn't bother me at all with regard to the M8. It's the dang filters that are a pain.
Phil Forrest
cutting the price to around 500$ would be a great improvement :)
Best regards
cutting the price to around 500$ would be a great improvement :)
And so would be cutting the price to about $20, and handing out free busty girlfriends with the cameras (or alternatively muscular boyfriends for those who so desire).
() The Focal Distance + DoF scale was known since Day 1...in the O/EVF where your eye should be, a world's first.
Sure that's great. When you focus while you look through the viewfinder, this should be even better than a SLR!
But sometimes it is nice to set up the camera without raising it to your eye to avoid raising attention. (Think Cartier-Bresson) The X100 should be ideal for this, because you can set aperture and exposure time without looking at the viewfinder or LCD. The problem is that you cannot scale focus the camera without raising it to your eye. The philosophy of the X100 seems to be that all essential Adjustments should be directly accessible without the need to stare at the LCD or the finder. That's why I wonder why they didn't care about manual focusing.
I could live without a DOF scale, but distance markers would be quite helpful. Maybe it will be possible to plug something on the focus ring?
jsrockit
02-03-2011, 04:55
The problem is that you cannot scale focus the camera without raising it to your eye.
Are you sure you won't be able to do it on the LCD?
I think the most important improvement they can make is to actually release the damn thing.
At this point in time, it just sucks. I haven't seen one good photo taken with this camera yet.
But maybe I am just too callous. There have been really nice photos taken of X100 pro-types. Isn't that all that Fuji's marketing department care about?
videogamemaker
02-03-2011, 05:32
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Sure that's great. When you focus while you look through the viewfinder, this should be even better than a SLR!
But sometimes it is nice to set up the camera without raising it to your eye to avoid raising attention. (Think Cartier-Bresson) The X100 should be ideal for this, because you can set aperture and exposure time without looking at the viewfinder or LCD. The problem is that you cannot scale focus the camera without raising it to your eye. The philosophy of the X100 seems to be that all essential Adjustments should be directly accessible without the need to stare at the LCD or the finder. That's why I wonder why they didn't care about manual focusing.
I could live without a DOF scale, but distance markers would be quite helpful. Maybe it will be possible to plug something on the focus ring?
The LCD views shown so far do not display it, but maybe there is an option to show the DOF scale and focus distance on the LCD on the back? probably in live view mode for sure. That wouldn't require lifting to your eye to set distance.
Are you sure you won't be able to do it on the LCD?
Well, now that you say it... :o I think you are right, the LCD should be fine for that purpose. It even works in the dark. That and a a few pencil marks on the focus ring should do it.
videogamemaker
02-03-2011, 05:45
Well, now that you say it... :o I think you are right, the LCD should be fine for that purpose. It even works in the dark. That and a a few pencil marks on the focus ring should do it.
There was a discussion about this, and while we didn't come to an absolute consensus, the general agreement was that pencil marks on the focusing ring will be useless. It provides rotational change info to the focusing motor, it is not mechanically coupled, and most likely does not deliver absolute rotation position. Pencil marks will correspond to different distances every time in this case.
My guess is that the camera does not actually take photos but is actually a clever storage case for the iPhone.
Oh, what a Tweet that will be.
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Sure that's great. When you focus while you look through the viewfinder, this should be even better than a SLR!
But sometimes it is nice to set up the camera without raising it to your eye to avoid raising attention. (Think Cartier-Bresson) The X100 should be ideal for this, because you can set aperture and exposure time without looking at the viewfinder or LCD. The problem is that you cannot scale focus the camera without raising it to your eye. The philosophy of the X100 seems to be that all essential Adjustments should be directly accessible without the need to stare at the LCD or the finder. That's why I wonder why they didn't care about manual focusing.
I could live without a DOF scale, but distance markers would be quite helpful. Maybe it will be possible to plug something on the focus ring?
There has been numerous images from multiple sources showing the FD+DoF scale in the LCD. So do it the discrete way...naturally in MF mode. Then set AE-C and shoot, use AEL if necessary.
Marking the focus ring has also been discussed at length. No one knows just yet what is the default ring position upon switching to MF.
One poster believe the ring will be "as is, where is"; if so, aim camera at infinity before switching will do that trick.
I believe the camera might reset itself to the last setting used, just like in start-up...if so, ring marking will work.
A third poster believes there might be click stops in the ring...
No one yet knows for sure.
M4streetshooter
02-03-2011, 06:53
The lens needs 1/2 stop clicks....
The viewfinders seem to see a real different view.
The Japanese site shows both finders.
The OVF should be very close to the EVF. On that site, it shows a very big difference in view. I'm talking Framelines.. Not outside the box.
There has to be a way for the dials to read the same as the menu.
If you set -1/3 on the dial... The menu should show that...
If you set -1/3 on the menu... what happens to the dial...?
videogamemaker
02-03-2011, 07:00
The lens needs 1/2 stop clicks....
The viewfinders seem to see a real different view.
The Japanese site shows both finders.
The OVF should be very close to the EVF. On that site, it shows a very big difference in view. I'm talking Framelines.. Not outside the box.
There has to be a way for the dials to read the same as the menu.
If you set -1/3 on the dial... The menu should show that...
If you set -1/3 on the menu... what happens to the dial...?
Where do you see it being possible to set exp comp in the menu? I doubt it will be possible. Menu diving would never be as intuitive as using the dial.
The EVF doesn't use a framing guide at all. It shows (http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/424/474/html/036.jpg.html) the 100% view.
I wouldn't put much stock in the differences between the EVF and OVF views in this website (if that's what you mean) because the tripod could easily have been moved between shots. That said, switching between the two could be very jarring depending on the implementation. Let's hope it's smooth for most people.
And so would be cutting the price to about $20, and handing out free busty girlfriends with the cameras (or alternatively muscular boyfriends for those who so desire).
Hmm Then I can't afford the running costs :D
tom.w.bn
02-04-2011, 02:38
ISO 100.000 without noise.
1.0 lens because everbody knows that you have unlimited dof with a crop sensor and a normal aperture.
50 MP so that you have enough pixels to crop.
This thread wasn't meant serious, was it?
Thank god the X100 brochure now answers most questions and queries discussed in this thread.
As to AF in a street photography environment, I think it is acceptable having to take a peek on the monitor every now and then, as long as one isn't forced to check settings in the viewfinder. But that still leaves two questions unanswered:
Is it possible to disable/enable the monitor using a mechanical control element on the camera's exterior?
When using AF w/o putting the camera to the eye, is there any external element that can provide focus confirmation other than a conspicuous beep? It might e.g. make sense to use the camera busy/file storage LED in a special blinking sequence to provide an optical focus confirmation.
jsrockit
02-09-2011, 06:49
When using AF w/o putting the camera to the eye, is there any external element that can provide focus confirmation other than a conspicuous beep? [/LIST]
Wouldn't there be the usual colored box / boxes on the screen that will confirm the focus point like most other digital cameras?
remove the flash and shed the "retro" styling.
I can agree about the retro styling. I don't need that. But I should think the flash expands and enhances the camera's versatility. I appreciate having a flash on my D-Lux Leicas, and on my D300.
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