£899 - Fuji X100

[_larky]

Hello.

So it's going to be £899.00, or at least that's what a Fuji rep told me. And a camera company I wont name just in case they aren't supposed to say anything confirmed they were told the exact same thing. So, looks like I'll be buying :)

[PatrickT]

If thats true then awesome! I'll be buying more than likely as well :)

[Roger Hicks]

If thats true then awesome! I'll be buying more than likely as well :)

You did notice that this was pounds sterling, right? Presumably it includes VAT at 20%. which drops it to £750 without tax or about $1150 at the current exchange rate.

Cheers,

R.

[bgb]

That price would make it $1550 here in New Zealand.

I would have to fall in love with the little thing first. :angel:

[videogamemaker]

Count all of yourselves lucky. Here in Iceland prices are sometimes double or even more the US/EU price

[Mister E]

I have money in hand to make a digital exception.

[Neare]

That price would make it $1550 here in New Zealand.

I would have to fall in love with the little thing first. :angel:


They'll charge more for it in NZ just because every other piece of camera gear has a premium on it. I'd expect $1800nzd at least.

[bgb]

New Zealand not the best place to buy camera gear but we could order it from the USA direct and hope customs don't give us a beating :) That's how lots of people are getting their film now especially if they shoot large format.

At $1800 it would need to be one hell of a camera and i hope it is

[dbarnes]

FWIW Adorama also showing (http://www.adorama.com/IFJX100.html) $1199.

[wooiloon]

$200 more than what I expected :( Will have to wait for year until price drop :bang:.

[Quash]

Vistek and Henry's in Canada pre-ordering for $1200. Downtown Camera is $1100. Canadian dollar at par with American. So, this gives you a rough idea about how this is shaking out. At $1200, they have priced themselves in to a niche. Too bad, given they are likely using a more than two year-old Sony sensor that is tweaked and a low res lcd screen. Lots of things are good and new about this camera but not $1200 good. A remember, it doesn't even come with a lens hood. You have to buy an adapter and lens hood separately.

[bwcolor]

Vistek and Henry's in Canada pre-ordering for $1200. Downtown Camera is $1100. Canadian dollar at par with American. So, this gives you a rough idea about how this is shaking out. At $1200, they have priced themselves in to a niche. Too bad, given they are likely using a more than two year-old Sony sensor that is tweaked and a low res lcd screen. Lots of things are good and new about this camera but not $1200 good. A remember, it doesn't even come with a lens hood. You have to buy an adapter and lens hood separately.

I'm so happy that you are trashing it. Unfortunately, it will probably be a great little camera and I just spent the money I saved for it on two Contax bodies and two lenses. I vaccinated myself from the dreaded Fujifilm X100 GAS attack..yes.. I'm now photofunds poor.

[videogamemaker]

I think I'm weird, I've never used a lens hood on any of my lenses or cameras. The few times I see noticeable flare, I cup my hand over it in that direction, and so far that's worked for me. The hoods always make the camera too large and are a pain to reverse when putting the camera back in a bag.

I plan only to buy the butt case accessory.

[LKeithR]

Funny how others are concerned about cost and trivialities like lens hoods. My primary interest will be image quality and handling. Assuming that the camera can deliver in this area; it will get a very serious look from me. Who else sells a decent digital rangefinder for this kind of money? OK, OK, I know, some of you don't think it's a rangefinder but it's darn close and the closest we've come so far to an "affordable" DRF. If Fuji can deliver the goods with this camera it could prove to be a real breakthrough...

[tapesonthefloor]

Ha, you want trivialities? I made the mistake of reading Fuji's "What Others Say (http://www.finepix-x100.com/en/first-impressions/)" page, and it's nearly as useless as an average newspaper comments section. Watch this:

What about 3D capability? Will there be a version of X100 with two sets of lenses and sensors, similar to "Fujifilm FinePix Real 3D W3"? Or, what about some "system connector" that could connect two X100s together, to get a two-camera 3D system with a decent image quality and low-light performance? Naturally, due to bulk and weight, one camera with two lenses+sensors would be preferable, and also likely less costly to produce than two.

[_larky]

I think I'm weird, I've never used a lens hood on any of my lenses or cameras. The few times I see noticeable flare, I cup my hand over it in that direction, and so far that's worked for me. The hoods always make the camera too large and are a pain to reverse when putting the camera back in a bag.

I plan only to buy the butt case accessory.

I do the exact same thing, every time I have a hood on it gets in the way of the controls for me. I have the money for this camera waiting. Looking for couple of good 8gig SD cards to if anyone can suggest a brand? I have very poor luck with SD cards.

[Mister E]

My hoods aren't for flare. They are to help keep fingers, rain and dirt off of the lens.

[Latecomer]

Mine too. I have a bad record with front elements

[Spyro]

Ι wonder if the leather case smells good

[jsrockit]

Vistek and Henry's in Canada pre-ordering for $1200. Downtown Camera is $1100. Canadian dollar at par with American. So, this gives you a rough idea about how this is shaking out. At $1200, they have priced themselves in to a niche. Too bad, given they are likely using a more than two year-old Sony sensor that is tweaked and a low res lcd screen. Lots of things are good and new about this camera but not $1200 good. A remember, it doesn't even come with a lens hood. You have to buy an adapter and lens hood separately.

So, what will you buy instead with your $1200?

[videogamemaker]

Ι wonder if the leather case smells good

Probably not, they said it's not real leather. *edit: oops, wrong, it is real leather*

[aad]

Travel? That helps my image quality.

[videogamemaker]

So, what will you buy instead with your $1200?

I was thinking something last night about when people complain about the high cost making the camera "not worth it". Why care enough to post about it, unless the camera has struck a "lust-nerve". If it was truly not worth it, wouldn't it be so easy to walk away as to not need discussing it? Caring enough to post in a derogatory manner gives away the individuals desire for the camera, which speaks to the value they've imbued into it.

[bigeye]

..because a forum can improve photography and equipment.

The curious can sift through free web knowledge and decide whether someone's experience or observation is worth taking or to set out and pioneer.

You seem to define derogatory as anything knocking the strange amount hyperbole surrounding the introduction of this camera.

- C

PS - I would have bought the used SWC that just went for the same price in the classifieds.

[videogamemaker]

But no one has experience with it yet, so sifting through posts of "it's not worth it", "niche product", "two year old sensor" don't give anyone extra information. That's derogatory.

And how does quibbling the price improve the equipment? They set price based on construction cost, marketing money-units needed, and psychological aspects of price and markup. They didn't increase the price based on forum excitement, and they won't decrease it if enough people whine about the cost being too high. It didn't work for the m8 or m9 or X1, and it won't work for the X100.

[ZeissFan]

Price is also based on the maximum that people will pay, because a company exists to make as much profit as possible. They're not running a charity.

Regardless, people will decide either that it's a worthwhile purchase or it's not.

Personally, I think this camera will do quite well with sales, based purely on the excitement and amount of positive comments about it.

Hopefully, Fuji delivers on the hype.

[sweathog]

So... £899. What does that mean after 3 months? £750? This thing is looking more doable.

[_larky]

People keep discussing the extras you can buy for the camera, cases etc - not just on this forum. Where are they listed?

[tlitody]

Hello.

So it's going to be £899.00, or at least that's what a Fuji rep told me. And a camera company I wont name just in case they aren't supposed to say anything confirmed they were told the exact same thing. So, looks like I'll be buying :)

Have you got any info on price of GF670W ?

[btgc]

So... £899. What does that mean after 3 months? £750? This thing is looking more doable.

It's not written yet...depends on amounts manufactured and demanded.

[pixelatedscraps]

This is a good step, but I don't think I'm going to pick one up. Hopefully this brings us closer to a Bessa D1, which I will be picking up :)

[sweathog]

It's not written yet...depends on amounts manufactured and demanded.

That's a fair comment but I was just basing that on what I observed as a general rule while working at Jessops.

[tapesonthefloor]

Probably not, they said it's not real leather.

You're thinking of the leather-like camera covering. The never-ready case is absolutely leather:

http://www.finepix-x100.com/en/story/craftsmanship-2

[videogamemaker]

You're thinking of the leather-like camera covering. The never-ready case is absolutely leather:

http://www.finepix-x100.com/en/story/craftsmanship-2

Whoops, sorry, you're right.

[_larky]

Have you got any info on price of GF670W ?

Sorry, I asked specifically about the X100.

[Frankie]

People keep discussing the extras you can buy for the camera, cases etc - not just on this forum. Where are they listed?

The extras are only shown in a poster at Photokina and again at CES. Items known to be available so far are: flash unit [GN unknown], lens adapter ring [49mm female to bayonet], lens hood [bayonet] and [2-piece] leather case.

The lens cap is included in-the-box...no doubt also the charger, cables, software CD......

[antiquark]

The price isn't outrageous, compared to other cameras. Say we compare it with the Olympus EP2 w 18mm lens, $850. The extra $350 can be explained because:

- it's a new camera and concept
- it has an optical viewfinder with head-up display
- the lens is 1 stop faster
- sensor is larger
- has a built-in flash

So it's not like it's a blatant rip-off, the price is actually reasonable.

[_larky]

The extras are only shown in a poster at Photokina and again at CES. Items known to be available so far are: flash unit [GN unknown], lens adapter ring [49mm female to bayonet], lens hood [bayonet] and [2-piece] leather case.

The lens cap is included in-the-box...no doubt also the charger, cables, software CD......

OK thanks. I'll be getting the case and the lens hood, even though I don't tend to use them, because in this case it looks stunning and maybe will help me keep stuff off the lens.

Hope it's March release, although April is my birthday...

[btgc]

OK thanks. I'll be getting the case and the lens hood, even though I don't tend to use them, because in this case it looks stunning and maybe will help me keep stuff off the lens.

And if you will decide to sell it at some point, case and hood will attract those bidders who otherwise would pass on it :) There's category of people who like "the set".

[videogamemaker]

The price isn't outrageous, compared to other cameras. Say we compare it with the Olympus EP2 w 18mm lens, $850. The extra $350 can be explained because:

- it's a new camera and concept
- it has an optical viewfinder with head-up display
- the lens is 1 stop faster
- sensor is larger
- has a built-in flash

So it's not like it's a blatant rip-off, the price is actually reasonable.

If you compare it to the Leica X1 it becomes even more of a value.

- 1,200 vs 2,000 USD
- 9 blades instead of 6
- built in viewfinder - none
- f/2 vs f/2.8
- lens that doesn't need to retract to power on/of vs lens that needs to retract
- Manual aperture ring vs dial
- larger higher res lcd vs smaller lower res

[Mephiloco]

Lens Hood? I've not needed a lens hood on any currently manufactured modern digital lens. My 17-50/2.8 came with one but is very very rarely used, I doubt that the X100 will have flare problems to warrant a hood

[NickTrop]

I'm not buying one but I don't think this price is out of line when one considers that the lens is a 23mm F2. Quick check shows the Sony 24/2 goes for $1200. Good primes this wide and this fast are always pricey. As was the case with the fixed lens RFs from yesteryear that put nicely spec'd glass on their FLRF offerings - "the lens is worth the cost alone..." That was always the deal with fixed lens rangefinders, traditionally... Great glass at a price that beat the pants off similarly spec'd interchangeable lens cameras - be it rangefinder or SLR.

So, please remind these knuckleheads who are balking at the price that such spec'd primes are rare to begin with, and using the Sony "SAL" as an example go for about the same cost as the X100 - camera and body...

Sony SAL-24F20Z 24mm f/2.0 A-mount Wide Angle Lens by Sony
Buy new: $1,249.00
AMAZON

[jsrockit]

PS - I would have bought the used SWC that just went for the same price in the classifieds.

But see, that's my point. These are two totally different cameras. I could understand if you say something like for $1200 I can get a DSLR that I feel would be a better value. However, if you were never planning to buy the camera (or a digital camera) in the first place because you'd rather have a film camera... it makes me wonder why you visit the thread. That is what videogamemaker was getting at.

That said the SWC would be a whole lot of fun, so I understand. :)

[X-100]

I was thinking something last night about when people complain about the high cost making the camera "not worth it". Why care enough to post about it, unless the camera has struck a "lust-nerve". If it was truly not worth it, wouldn't it be so easy to walk away as to not need discussing it? Caring enough to post in a derogatory manner gives away the individuals desire for the camera, which speaks to the value they've imbued into it.

Yeah. I can't believe all the bad vibes here.:(

[Arjay]

To some, grapes are sour because they are hanging too high. But its difficult to admit being too small. ;)

[sper]

How do we know the price will go down in 3 month? The 5D2, X1, D700, M9, aren't any cheaper than when they first came out. This isn't a Power Shot here that's going to be replaced in less than a year. Expect it to be $1200-1000 USD brand new until the replacement.

[bigeye]

But see, that's my point. These are two totally different cameras. I could understand if you say something like for $1200 I can get a DSLR that I feel would be a better value. However, if you were never planning to buy the camera (or a digital camera) in the first place because you'd rather have a film camera... it makes me wonder why you visit the thread.

It's entertaining? Having M8 owners believe they need this camera is a great study in the success of social media marketing.

[gavinlg]

I'm not buying one but I don't think this price is out of line when one considers that the lens is a 23mm F2. Quick check shows the Sony 24/2 goes for $1200. Good primes this wide and this fast are always pricey. As was the case with the fixed lens RFs from yesteryear that put nicely spec'd glass on their FLRF offerings - "the lens is worth the cost alone..." That was always the deal with fixed lens rangefinders, traditionally... Great glass at a price that beat the pants off similarly spec'd interchangeable lens cameras - be it rangefinder or SLR.

So, please remind these knuckleheads who are balking at the price that such spec'd primes are rare to begin with, and using the Sony "SAL" as an example go for about the same cost as the X100 - camera and body...

Sony SAL-24F20Z 24mm f/2.0 A-mount Wide Angle Lens by Sony
Buy new: $1,249.00
AMAZON

Couldn't agree more!

I'm not seeing how people could be stinging the price - I was expecting 1600-1800 at least. It's got a fantastic fast lens, it's made of metal, it has a real optical viewfinder supplemented by a new technology electronic viewfinder, and it has manual controls and style which probably means it's a niche product.

1200us is extremely reasonable!!

[whitecat]

I think ant decent point and shoot should have a flash.

[Roger Hicks]

I think ant decent point and shoot should have a flash.

Which is, indeed, a powerful argument for the X100 NOT having one. Historically, 'serious' cameras don't have built-in flashes, and X100 wants to postion itself as a 'serious' camera.

If I didn't already use an M9, I'd consider the X100 very seriously indeed, as being the nearest digicam I've ever seen to the 1936 Leica IIIa I bought in 1969.

Even so, I'd want to be confident that it was reasonably close to my IIIa, e.g. no autofocus problems, and no unforeseen problems with the double viewfinder.

Cheers,

R.

[videogamemaker]

Which is, indeed, a powerful argument for the X100 NOT having one. Historically, 'serious' cameras don't have built-in flashes, and X100 wants to postion itself as a 'serious' camera.

If I didn't already use an M9, I'd consider the X100 very seriously indeed, as being the nearest digicam I've ever seen to the 1936 Leica IIIa I bought in 1969.

Even so, I'd want to be confident that it was reasonably close to my IIIa, e.g. no autofocus problems, and no unforeseen problems with the double viewfinder.

Cheers,

R.

Some cameras are able to use flash purely as a focus assist, but are able to be set not to fire for the actual exposure. A very convenient feature. (I know the canon 40D was able to do that). If this feature is included in the X100, it could be very nice indeed, in situations where a pre flash wouldn't be distracting or inappropriate.

At today's technology, it probably cost an extra 50 cents to include, and it doesn't make it any larger. It's kind of a "why not" feature at this point. I won't use it, but I don't count it against Fuji for including it.

[Brian Sweeney]

Personally, I think the X-100 is following the lead of the Leica X1, and added the hybrid optical/electronic viewfinder. The X1 has a built-in flash, so the X-100 has a built in flash.

Personally, I would have preferred to see a clip-on flash such as that used on the Contax T.

I wonder how long it until the Leica X2 comes out.

[Paul T.]

A couple of online retailers have the UK price at £1,020. Good encouragement to keep on paying for b/w processing for the Hexar, for another six months or so.

[Sparrow]

... or the X-101, the camera that knows ones deepest fear

[Brian Sweeney]

That would make it the X-101 Voodoo.

[videogamemaker]

That would make it the X-101 Voodoo.

Finally a camera that really does steal one's soul. But is it the subject or the photographer's that's stolen?

[Roger Hicks]

Some cameras are able to use flash purely as a focus assist, but are able to be set not to fire for the actual exposure. A very convenient feature. (I know the canon 40D was able to do that). If this feature is included in the X100, it could be very nice indeed, in situations where a pre flash wouldn't be distracting or inappropriate.

At today's technology, it probably cost an extra 50 cents to include, and it doesn't make it any larger. It's kind of a "why not" feature at this point. I won't use it, but I don't count it against Fuji for including it.

Sure, I was just looking at it from a marketing viewpoint. I'd hope, though, that it could be disabled permanently as a menu option, not each time you turn the camera on (as was regrettably the case with many otherwise excellent film compacts). There are really very few situations in which I want a flash going off and saying, "Hey, look, folks, I'm taking pictures." Generally, for me, any flash, pre- or otherwise, is distracting or inappropriate.

Cheers,

R.

[jsrockit]

It's entertaining? Having M8 owners believe they need this camera is a great study in the success of social media marketing.

Huh? why? that's so silly to say. Perhaps I am sick of manual (zone) focus and don't feel the need to blow loads of money on incremently better Leica lenses.

I understand this camera isn't for everyone, but for people like me who like AF, like small cameras, and prefer to use a 35mm equiv 99% of the time, it appears to be perfect.

Even sillier than being "tricked" by social media marketing is hanging out in a thread about a camera that you don't like...

[videogamemaker]

Sure, I was just looking at it from a marketing viewpoint. I'd hope, though, that it could be disabled permanently as a menu option, not each time you turn the camera on (as was regrettably the case with many otherwise excellent film compacts). There are really very few situations in which I want a flash going off and saying, "Hey, look, folks, I'm taking pictures." Generally, for me, any flash, pre- or otherwise, is distracting or inappropriate.

Cheers,

R.

They have specified the camera remembers all user settings after being turned off and on again. I am hoping the flash doesn't even try to come on unless you have it in a full auto mode (again, this is how the 40D worked). My guess is that it will need manually enabling for sure, except possibly with both dials in the Auto setting (shutter and aperture) but even then it might need to be turned on manually.

[tokek]

Jock you better hope that the wind doesn't blow in a new direction later in the year ........... X1. pana, ricoh, m8. x100 maybe the Nikon sm150

[Snapper_uk]

So, is the X100 the digital camera that it's ok for film users to like?

What would be nice, is an X100 that took film. A metal compact 35mm body, retro styling, quality f/2 lens.... Bessa X-100 anyone?

[btgc]

What would be nice, is an X100 that took film. A metal compact 35mm body, retro styling, quality f/2 lens.... Bessa X-100 anyone?

If 35mm lens isn't main factor, there are many compact metal sub-f2 film cameras. There's even Yashica 35CC with 1.8/35 lens which is on expensive side of market of fixed lens rangefinders but I still consider it not expensive compared to hyphotetical film X100.
Better they work on this direction so we have fallback plan in case film becomes rare. I mean, rare.

[bigeye]

Even sillier than being "tricked" by social media marketing is hanging out in a thread about a camera that you don't like...

Where have I said that I didn't like it? It's fine - a digital Hexar AF. Got it.

But, don't you think the number of threads and pages on such a modest camera is OCD? Someone might need an intervention. I'm here to help.

.

[Snapper_uk]

I'm talking about having a new compact. I have a Olympus 35RD, but Aperture Priority would be nice and a meter that actually gave accurate readings....

[jsrockit]

Jock you better hope that the wind doesn't blow in a new direction later in the year ........... X1. pana, ricoh, m8. x100 maybe the Nikon sm150

I still use them all the time...so, what's the issue Stunod? I know you also use multiple cameras... :eek:

[btgc]

I'm talking about having a new compact. I have a Olympus 35RD, but Aperture Priority would be nice and a meter that actually gave accurate readings....

New? New film camera? Why on Earth one would need that? Film is here for fun, so are nice old cameras. Plenty of both now are available. Cameras are cheap. That's why people this days buy them. Make them cost like they did when new (proportionally to income) and good half of "film lovers" would turn off not even thinking how film costs. Low prices (compared to original) and fun is what moves film gear market, I think.

Aperture priority - that's not Olympus. Yashica is the name. One of various Yashica Electro cameras, be it scale focus, RF or SLR.

[Archlich]

I keep hear people stating that the X100 utilizes the D90 sensor, "the two-year-old one that's being phased out".

Anyone knows where does this statement originate? Is it confirmed by Fuji or just pure speculation based on pixel counts? Thx.

[videogamemaker]

I keep hear people stating that the X100 utilizes the D90 sensor, "the two-year-old one that's being phased out".

Anyone knows where does this statement originate? Is it confirmed by Fuji or just pure speculation based on pixel counts? Thx.

The latter.

[Brian Sweeney]

Sensors undergo many design tweeks throughout their production runs. They get "rev'd". I doubt that Fuji is using the "same" sensor as anything did two years ago.

[videogamemaker]

Sensors undergo many design tweeks throughout their production runs. They get "rev'd". I doubt that Fuji is using the "same" sensor as anything did two years ago.

I still didn't get my earlier question answered. How does it become known that cameras share a sensor? Like the D7000 and Pentax k-5, or the A900 and D3x? It's fairly well known as "fact" that they share sensors, but was it a press release? guess? mentioned by a designer at some point?

[migtex]

I keep hear people stating that the X100 utilizes the D90 sensor, "the two-year-old one that's being phased out".

Anyone knows where does this statement originate? Is it confirmed by Fuji or just pure speculation based on pixel counts? Thx.

It's not Nikon, it's Fuji made with "EXR" technology (better dynamic range).

http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2010/pdf/release/finepix_x100_e.pdf

and yes, I'm saving...

It's gonna be fun how many X100's will show up on the Euro RFF meeting in London by May..... hmm may be none.. ;-)

[videogamemaker]

It's not Nikon, it's Fuji made with "EXR" technology (better dynamic range).

http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2010/pdf/release/finepix_x100_e.pdf

and yes, I'm saving...

It's gonna be fun how many X100's will show up on the Euro RFF meeting in London by May..... hmm may be none.. ;-)

The d90 isn't nikon either, it's from Sony.

That said, this line makes me think it's brand new:
* The FinePix X100 features a custom CMOS high-performance sensor, internally optimized and developed exclusively for this model.

The first part about it being optimized could apply to a sony-sourced sensor, but the second part implies it's not shared in any other camera, regardless of manufacturer origin. (the optimized part implies they did it, but the second part is more open ended to still applying to a 3rd party sensor manufacturer)

[eddie1960]

$1.199 US here. (http://www.vistek.ca/store/DigitalCameras/252781/fuji-finepix-camera-x100.aspx)

that's canadian dollars not US (though for all intensive purposes they should be the same, but somehow things are frequently nmore expensive here:(

[Brian Sweeney]

Sensors, like most components, have a manufacturer's model number associated with them. The Kodak DCS-200 used a Kodak KAF-1600. The KAF-1601, KAF-1602, KAF-1603e are all pin-compatible but substantially improved designs. Blue range was extended by adding "tin" (I seem to remember). The Leica M8 uses a Kodak KAF-10500. Some reviewers will state which sensor was used with a particular camera. I have not followed the X-100 close enough to know which CCD was used, but- it certainly has a model number with rev level.

My Nikon DSLR has a Fuji sensor in it.

[nightfly]

Really does depend on how the sensor renders light for me. I'd be looking for the 5D look with subtle tonal gradations but am not expecting it from an APS-C sized sensor, not sure if it's possible. This is the biggest stumbling block in going to a camera like this. Seems like they did their homework on everything else down to the internal ND filter for shooting it at wider apertures to get a narrower depth of field.

[videogamemaker]

Sensors, like most components, have a manufacturer's model number associated with them. The Kodak DCS-200 used a Kodak KAF-1600. The KAF-1601, KAF-1602, KAF-1603e are all pin-compatible but substantially improved designs. Blue range was extended by adding "tin" (I seem to remember). The Leica M8 uses a Kodak KAF-10500. Some reviewers will state which sensor was used with a particular camera. I have not followed the X-100 close enough to know which CCD was used, but- it certainly has a model number with rev level.

My Nikon DSLR has a Fuji sensor in it.

Is this something where it has to be opened up to see the model number and revision? or something that is visible in firmware?

[tapesonthefloor]

Which is, indeed, a powerful argument for the X100 NOT having one. Historically, 'serious' cameras don't have built-in flashes, and X100 wants to postion itself as a 'serious' camera.

As has been discussed elsewhere, Fuji has implemented a flash "commander" mode on the X100, meaning the small on-body flash can be used to control studio lighting without any adapters, any wires, or any additional cost. While I'm sure the ex-hundred's flash is perfectly serviceable for fill in typical p&s settings, they must have considered the great utility of the former use when deciding to include an on-body flash. That, in itself, might be considered a powerful argument that they're aiming this camera at "serious" photographers, rather than the contrary.

[Roger Hicks]

As has been discussed elsewhere, Fuji has implemented a flash "commander" mode on the X100, meaning the small on-body flash can be used to control studio lighting without any adapters, any wires, or any additional cost. While I'm sure the ex-hundred's flash is perfectly serviceable for fill in typical p&s settings, they must have considered the great utility of the former use when deciding to include an on-body flash. That, in itself, might be considered a powerful argument that they're aiming this camera at "serious" photographers, rather than the contrary.

Indeed, a good point -- though I'd still prefer a sync cable. Or maybe an IR filter on the on-camera flash. You don't always want even a weak flash from the camera position. And, I can't help feeling, not many would choose the X100 as a studio camera.

Cheers,

R.

[videogamemaker]

Indeed, a good point -- though I'd still prefer a sync cable. Or maybe an IR filter on the on-camera flash. You don't always want even a weak flash from the camera position. And, I can't help feeling, not many would choose the X100 as a studio camera.

Cheers,

R.

There is a whole new generation using flash's on the go. Mayhaps you've heard of "the strobist"?

[Quash]

Looks like Adorama and B&H pulled the pre-order, as reported by x100rumors.com. Still available at Henry's and Vistek in Canada for $1200. They ship to US, so let's see if they get pulled.

[jsrockit]

Perhaps the price isn't set in stone yet...

[GSNfan]

Maybe its delayed.

[Sparrow]

There is a whole new generation using flash's on the go. Mayhaps you've heard of "the strobist"?

Strobist! what a silly name

[videogamemaker]

Maybe its delayed.

Nah, just got this from Robert at Precision Camera (which is still taking pre-orders) The difference is they don't specify a price, though they do mention the "about 1,000" rumor. I'm guessing it's the listing of a price that made them ask to take it down from B&H and Adorama, maybe that means the price isn't set in stone yet.




We are taking quite a few preorders but I talked to the Fuji rep today and it looks good for us to get them all taken care of quickly.

March is still the date.

Hope this helps!
Robert

[videogamemaker]

Strobist! what a silly name

Maybe... I didn't pick it. Tons of useful info offered for free though. Helped me learn about using off camera lighting, that's for sure.

[GSNfan]

Nah, just got this from Robert at Precision Camera (which is still taking pre-orders) The difference is they don't specify a price, though they do mention the "about 1,000" rumor. I'm guessing it's the listing of a price that made them ask to take it down from B&H and Adorama, maybe that means the price isn't set in stone yet.

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

[Sparrow]

Maybe... I didn't pick it. Tons of useful info offered for free though. Helped me learn about using off camera lighting, that's for sure.

Sorry, I thought we were talking of on-camera flash .... so flasher would have been a better name :D

[videogamemaker]

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

I think that's a bit too much speculation for my preference. It could be that it will be 1200 and they just don't like how many people are complaining about it, and want to focus on more easy to swallow marketing stuff, and announce the price just before launch. It could be less and they want to avoid what you said, or it could be more.

Another thought is that they might want to see what the exchange rate is in another 2 months and be able to adjust in small amounts of 25 or 50 dollars. It's just too vague of a sign asking them to pull the two major US dealers announced price for me to come to any conclusion from it.

[videogamemaker]

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

Also, the only people that have seen the listed price of 1200 are the early adopter gear heads like us that would love to see it come in for less. But if major resellers like B&H and Adorama are listing the price, it could get around to a wider audience.

[jsrockit]

There is no way on earth they'll revise the price down, thats just telling people their camera is not worth it, so the logical conclusion is that X100 would cost even more than $1200...

That makes no sense whatsoever... Fuji doesn't think like Leica.

[shashinka-ichiban]

Adorama and B&H have the price listed at 1199.oo USD Only Adorama is allowing pre-order, B&H is not.

[shashinka-ichiban]

Which is, indeed, a powerful argument for the X100 NOT having one. Historically, 'serious' cameras don't have built-in flashes, and X100 wants to postion itself as a 'serious' camera.
R.

Did I miss something here, the Nikon D100, D200, D300, D300s. and I believe the D700 have pop-up flashes? Depending on who is arguing, these are Nikon prosumer or professional cameras.

[migtex]

Did I miss something here, the Nikon D100, D200, D300, D300s. and I believe the D700 have pop-up flashes? Depending on who is arguing, these are Nikon prosumer or professional cameras.

Probably they are not "serious" cameras...

[paulfish4570]

i wonder if this will drive down the price of the canon g11/g12 and its nikon competitior. i also wonder if this will drive canon and nikon to make fixed focal length versions of same ...

[videogamemaker]

Probably they are not "serious" cameras...

The d700 is definitely a serious camera. If you hold disdain for it, it's because of some kind of anti-dslr bias, not any objective categorization. The camera makes some amazingly nice images at all ISO levels and takes a huge range of quality glass. The D700 image files are superior to the M9 files in every metric save possibly resolution, and I'm sure no one will say the M9 isn't a serious camera.

Would anyone argue the X1 isn't a serious camera? Plenty of people on RFF seem to like it for the images it makes, and if anything it has a much goofier flash than the X100.

Dinging a camera for having a built in cheapo flash that doesn't add any size or weight is like getting mad at a box graphic or the color of the battery charger.

[jsrockit]

Would anyone argue the X1 isn't a serious camera? Plenty of people on RFF seem to like it for the images it makes, and if anything it has a much goofier flash than the X100.

Believe me... there is a lot of X1 hate out there... and many people consider it to be a way too expensive P&S.

[_larky]

Probably they are not "serious" cameras...

My D200 is not at all serious, I can't even have a polite conversation about cheeses with it any more, it just wants to talk about the girls in the other corner. MAybe it's going through some teenage stage.